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  1. IrishInOntario

    IrishInOntario Registered User

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    Just for a little fun on a Wednesday night...

    Most people seem to want William Nylander resigned (myself included). That said, the expectation of the fanbase is that Toronto will keep improving and become a cup contender. Build a 2019 roster that makes Toronto better team than the 2018 version will be, and try to be realistic in doing so...

    Matthews (11.0 million): 45-50 goals, 90+ points you're crazy if you think he's taking a penny less.
    Tavares (11.0 million)
    Marner (8.0 million): If he's healthy, he's putting up 75+ points this year. Playing with Tavares 5 on 5.
    Nylander (6.5 million): Seems like accurate value when looking at comparable contracts.
    Marleau (6.25 million)
    Reilly (5.0 million)
    Anderson (5.0 million)
    Kadri (4.5 million)
    Zaitsev (4.5 million)
    Hyman (2.25 million)
    Brown (2.1 million)

    Kessel (1.2 million)
    Dermott (863 thousand)

    Total= 68.237 million

    Key unsigned players
    Jake Gardiner
    Kasperi Kapanen


    Let's say the salary cap heading into 2019 is 82.0 million. You have 13.763 million dollars to build the rest of the roster and improve from the 2018 Toronto Maple Leafs. You need...

    5 forwards
    4 defensemen
    1 backup goalie

    Feel free to suggest reasonable trades. Let's see your team!
     
  2. WTFMAN99

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    I don't want to suggest for what etc, but Brown can likely be replaced. 2.1M for what he brings when you're watching your cap seems like it could be better spent.
     
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    I’d be pleasantly surprised if we got Matthews, Marner and Nylander locked up for 26.5m.

    Marner is a wild card for me.
     
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    Matthews is 11M for sure, gets the 8 years at 11M just like Tavares got (We're getting an extra year of term but RFA vs UFA).

    Nylander definitely fits the bill at 6.5M, that's what he's worth.

    Marner is tough, I have been using $7.5M as the cap hit for him. Tarasenko money basically.
     
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    Brown traded, Kap 2 million, Gardiner 6 million, Sparks for about 800k, Borgman 800k. If you can manage to shave few 100k off a couple contracts then you can resign Leivo or Johnsson for the 23rd roster spot.

    Marleau Matthews Kapanen
    Hyman Tavares Marner
    Grundstrom Kadri Nylander
    Engvall Brooks Bracco
    Marchment

    Rielly Gardiner
    Dermott Zaitsev
    Borgman Liljegren
    Holl

    Andersen
    Sparks

    81.576

    It's not ideal, and I'd imagine there's be some low value UFA Ennis types in the 4th line instead, but I just went off the exact numbers we already had signed from prospects.
     
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    That Marleau contract looks like a noose with that 3rd year and a full NMC right about now
     
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    Metroid Never Don't Give Up

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    Id tell the media to **** off and whatever I do or ends up happening, will be what happens.
     
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    We'll see if the speculation about that 3rd year basically not counting is true. They structured it to make it very easy to move. If he consented at the start of that contract to allow us to move him in year 3 if need be then moving him would help.
     
  9. IrishInOntario

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    Thanks for taking the time.

    A couple observations IMO...

    1. The defense core still isn't addressed at all. No improvement outside a year of extra development for Reilly, Dermott and the Marlies. Still in the lower half of the league and nowhere near teams like Tampa Bay, San Jose or Washington, etc, etc, who Toronto is theoretically competing with for Cups.

    2. Kapanen at for 2 million is a pipe dream. If he continues to play with Matthews, he's a lock for 50 points. Considering Brown was 2.1 and Hyman was 2.3, I don't see him resigning for any less that 3.0-3.5 million.
     
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    I'll do a "status quo" version for my own reference, trying to keep as much of the team intact as possible, and avoiding blockbuster trades that completely change the core.

    Hyman 2.25M Matthews 12M Kapanen 3M
    Leivo 2M Tavares 11M Nylander 7.5M
    Johnsson 2.5M Kadri 4.5M Marner 8M
    Marlie .9M Gauthier .675M Marlie .9M
    Marlie .9M

    Rielly 5M Zaitsev 4.5M
    Gardiner 7M Dermott .864M
    Sandin .925M Liljegrin .875M
    Holl .675M Marlie .9M


    Sign Gardiner for 7M per
    Sign Matthews to 12M per
    Sign Nylander for 7.5M per
    Sign Marner to 8M per
    Sign Kapanen to 3M per
    Sign Johnsson to 2.5 M per
    Sign Pickard for 1M per

    Marleau is traded for picks or retires
    Trade Andersssen for picks
    Trade Brown for picks

    Sparks .675M
    Pickard 1M

    (Kessel 1.2M)

    $79.739M

    Assets lost - Marleau + Anderssen
    Other players lost - Ennis, Lindholm, Hainsey
    Assets gained - future picks
     
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    The magic words are "if he consents"

    Setting it up so that he got to choose in that 3rd year wasn't exactly optimal
     
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    Gardiner + Brown + Leivo
    for
    Tanev + Virtanen

    Nucks get more skill/offence, Leafs get more defensive ability and toughness. Also more cost control - Tanev is signed 2 more years (at $4.45), vs Gards who will need a raise next year.

    Roster this year becomes:

    Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
    Hyman - Tavares - Marner
    Johnsson - Kadri - Kapanen
    Ennis - Lindholm - Virtanen

    Rielly - Tanev
    Dermott - Zaitsev
    Borgman - Hainsey

    Andersen
    Sparks

    Next year’s roster would remain unchanged other than one of Grundstrom/Engvall replacing Ennis, and Liljegren replacing Hainsey (cost savings there). If we still need more cap space, we try REAL HARD to get Marleau to accept a trade.
     
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    All speculation.

    The contract kind of does the talking for me to be honest. Having only a $1.5M salary and having us pay out that bonus on July 1st says to me they meant to move this contract in year 3.

    I hated the Martin deal but I saw it as moveable this off-season as soon as we paid out the bonus. Tons of teams have cap space but it's all about the budget. Martin fits team's budgets. Marleau might cost us a 3rd or something to move as a favor, but it opens up a massive amount of space for us.
     
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    You know what talks as well? A Stanley Cup
    He's actually got a chance to win one which would be pretty attractive to a guy that old and that's played this long i'd imagine

    Martin didn't have a full NMC so we could do anything we wanted with him, we cannot do anything without Marleau's consent
     
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    I really don’t think Marleau is going anywhere
     
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    TOP SECRET
    THE SHANNAPLAN
    OPERATION "GOLDEN" LEAF

    Hyman 2.25M Matthews 11M Kapanen 2.8M
    Leivo 2M Tavares 11M Nylander 6.25M
    Johnsson 2.1M Kadri 4.5M Marner 8M
    Marlie .8M Gauthier .675M Marlie .8M
    Marlie .8M

    Rielly 5M Karlsson 11M
    Dermott .864M Petry 5.5M
    Sandin .925M Liljegrin .875M
    Marlie .8M Marlie .8M



    Sign Matthews to 11M per with HARD NTC max term
    Sign Nylander for 6.25M per BRIDGE DEAL OF 2 YEARS with NTC
    Sign Marner to 8M per with HARD NTC max term
    Sign Kapanen to 2.8 M per for 3 years
    Sign Johnsson to 2.1 M per for 2 years
    Sign Leivo to 2M per for 1 year
    Sign Pickard for 1M per for 2 years
    Sign E. KARLSSON to 11M per limited NTC max term

    Marleau is traded for picks or retires
    Trade Andersssen for picks
    Trade Brown for picks
    Trade with the Montreal Canadians for Petry using Zaitsev and picks/prospects

    Sparks .675M
    Pickard 1M

    (Kessel 1.2M)

    $81.7M in Capspace.
     
  17. A1LeafNation

    A1LeafNation Tavares Strong!!!

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    Marleau6.25Matthews11Kapanen3
    Hyman2.25Tavares11Marner8
    Johnsson1.75Kadri4.5Nylander6.75
    Engvall0.925Lindholm1.25Brown2.1
    Leivo1.1
    Rielly5Zaitsev4.5
    Dermott0.864Liljegren0.895
    Borgman1.1Ozhiganov1.1
    Rosen1.1Holl0.675
    Andersen5
    Sparks1
    Kessel1.2
     
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    Cap management sure looks to be a challenge. Agree that Martin was easier to move due to his contract, but he was also easier to move for us due to being expendable as a healthy scratch. Marleau's much more expensive on the cap, but he's also a lineup fixture on an important line and insurance at C and on the PK. We'll have to see how this season plays out on a few fronts.
     
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    We'll see. The third year is basically zero money after July 1st. Could pull an Orpik, trade him, have team buy him out, that team takes the $6.25M cap hit and we bring back Marleau on a team friendly deal for more actual money than he would have made anyways.
     
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    Yep and it's a circular thing, we can talk about it. We'll find out in a year from now what happened.
     
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    If Matthews continues to put up huge numbers (they'll obviously still come down from his current pace) then he's likely getting more than 11M. I can see him getting close to McDavid's contract once you factor in that he signed it 2 summers ago (taking into effect this season) and that McDavid likely gave a discount too.
    So it'll depend on how much of a discount, if any, Matthews will give the Leafs. But I'm thinking if he really wanted to, he could definitely get more than 11M from us.

    As for Marner, if he puts up ppg+...I think he's also getting more than 8M.
     
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    Gards would be gone,traded or walk ,don't care! Hainsey will be gone as well . Someone said Browny could be replaced with a cheaper option,ok ,well so can Hyman be easily replaced! D options waiting in the system are not that bad and a couple look promising. Lilly ,Borg,Rosen!
    Willy has till Dec. or something before he is done for the year? I 'm on the phone now ,lookin' for the best I can get,D or otherwise!
    If Matthews and Marner continue to lite it up ,then it's gonna get expensive. Maybe it's best to dump Willy now!
     
  23. WestCoastLeafs

    WestCoastLeafs I beleaf

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    If that were the case why would they have given him a NMC? If the contract does the talking, and we look at all aspects of the contract, the most sensible explanation is that they structured it in such a way so that he would have the oprion to retire early without adversely affecting the Leafs' cap situation.

    There is also no chance they made some kind if arrangement at the beginning of the deal. No way do you keep yourself in as good shape as Marleau and then say "yup, I will definitely be ready to be put out to pasture in a couple years, let's build a contract that will force you to o ship me out to Arizona in a couple years"
     
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    Everyone worries about offer sheets to the big three, but it's guys like Kapanen that are the real risks in that regard.

    They can be signed for up to $4M at the cost of only a second rounder. Now if Kappy takes the next step next year, maybe a team sees a cheap (in terms of assets) way to pick up a good young player. Leafs would reaally need to bridge him because of the cap crunch.

    From Kapanen's perspective, given all the unknowns of an NHL career, is it greedy to jump at $20M over $5M, or just sensible?
     
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    Trading Anderssen for picks


     
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