My sister-in-law is a fairly prominent swim coach; basically one step down from Olympic level and is currently grooming at least one swimmer to be an Olympian. So I've heard stories about different swimmers from conferences, trainings, through the grapevine stuff, and what-have-you. So I've heard insane stories about Michael Phelps that force me to put him in the highest echelon of the GOATs.
Apparently when Phelps first really broke into the scene, he was just naturally great. He would train, but not like you would think a record breaking athlete would. He'd stay in shape and listen to his coaches, kind of. But when it was time for his meets, he was able to flip a switch and be dominant Michael Phelps. It wasn't until his whole weed thing and comeback that he decided to actually take training and practice seriously. I would always hear from my SIL about how much BETTER he could have been had he took training seriously and worked on different things.
So someone like that, hyper-talented with minimal effort put into maintaining their dominance is something special and deserved he to talked about as one of the greats in all of sport. I'm just not sure as to where I would put him in the list. I'm not sure exactly where I would put most of the athletes I considers GOATs.
Most of my list, mainly limited to guys I saw:
Mario- This is a Pens board, I don't think I need to really say anything else
Wayne Gretzky- I mean, this is a hockey board. Do I need to explain? We can argue about Mario v Wayne, but regardless, they are both gods of hockey
Tiger- Dude was flat out dominant. Just think about golf betting, how varied and almost random it is, and during Tiger's run not only was he a favorite in just about every event, he was the favorite by miles. It was more news when Tiger finished outside the Top 5 then when he won. If you want to see dominance, just look at the 2000 US Open at Pebble Beach. Tiger won it at -15 and second place was waaaaay back their at +3. Come on, son.
Ali- I'm too young for Ali, but the stories, the video clips, the legend are enough for me to realize how amazing this man was.
Michael Phelps- See above
Michael Jordan- Man was a beast on the floor, a marketing cash cow, Nike's golden god. This man owns the name "Mike".
LeBron- Every bit as good a Jordan. Period. And to boot, wants to make the world a better place with his fame and fortune. That's good enough for me.
Barry Bonds- Go ahead and take a look at his B-R page (
Barry Bonds Stats | Baseball-Reference.com). This man was a fine wine, only got better with age. Sure, there's the steroid cloud, but it doesn't take away from his natural ability. You still need to be able to be a great baseball player to put up his numbers. All sports have their "*" eras and moments. Greenies, questionable competition, segregation, steroids, and generally bending the rules and taking advantage of grey areas isn't just a baseball or Bonds thing. You can pick out a lot of great players in different sports and find similar things.
Pele- Ask your average person on the street to name a handful of soccer greats. I imagine you'll get a random sample of greats but Pele will be named by everyone.
Jesse Owens- This man metaphorically punched Hitler square in the mouth and took home 4 golds in the 1936 Berlin games.
Tennis Greats (Federer, Nadal, Sampras)- I don't know or follow tennis much, but I know these three are in a class above all.
I'm sure I'm missing a handful, but these are the guys I think automatically when I think of GOATs.
Other athletes on track to challenge for GOAT status- Mike Trout, Sidney Crosby, Cristiano Ronaldo, Leo Messi, Simone Biles
Athletes I know should be on my list, but for reasons and time aren't- Jack and Arine, Serena Williams, Annika Sorenstam, Johan Cruyff, numerous baseball players (it's my speciality and don't want to bog down the list and make it even longer), Carl Lewis, Bobby Orr, Jackie Joyner-Kersee
Athlete who is too good for any of these lists- Zlatan Ibrahimovic