Proposal: Yandle to LA to improve their PP and brings some laughs to Hollywood

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by TheImpatientPanther, Sep 11, 2020.

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Good trade for both teams?

  1. LA - Hello no, not the right move for Kings right now

  2. LA - Don't hate it but don't love it, it's a maybe

  3. LA - It's a good deal, we can make it work

  4. FLA - Hello no, Yandle is still needed with Panthers

  5. FLA - it helps clear cap space but is the return good enough?

  6. FLA - Yes, this works for both teams, we need LW depth

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  1. TheImpatientPanther Take us to the top Q!

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    What are you agreeing to here?
    Yandle isnt a cap dump or he would take pressure off Doughty?

    What comparable trade are you using to evaluate 3 firsts or more to move Yandle?
     
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    Nope, I do not want any member of the 2012 Coyotes on the Kings. Hated that team, Yandle’s dumb comments after the series we a step below Dr Doan’s comments.
     
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  3. bernmeister Registered User

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    Not sure how true that is to fullest extent, but funny enuf to command a like!
     
  4. TheImpatientPanther Take us to the top Q!

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    Oookay that's obvious and cheeky response but was hoping the poster would go into detail after.

    If you were Kopitar or Doughty, would you be okay with tanking another year or two?

    They add a decent puck moving D and a short term C/W and they can probably compete for a playoff spot if Quick can handle 40-50 games this year. Sprinkle in prospects the next few years
     
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    Good pts
    Do we think he can?
     
  6. TheImpatientPanther Take us to the top Q!

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    He may have to. He played 46 and 42 the last two years. Turns 35 in January.
    Although Cal could improve and challenge for a 40/40 or 45/35 split behind a better defense.
    His two cups of coffee with LA are encouraging and that's behind a building defense.

    Wouldn't read too much into his AHL stats as ONT had 3-4 rookies on their defense unit this past year.
    They moved Campbell and kept Cal for a reason, just entering his prime at 25 years old and Quick is a solid mentor for him.
     
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    The course was pretty obvious when Doughty was extended. If he had a big problem with the King's course of action, I doubt he would've signed on. Kopitar is the captain with a team first mentality.

    The Kings are rebuilding to ice a different type of team than what they have had in the past. Blake had maintained a management team that is 100% dedicated to that goal. One thing we don't see is Blake signing 30+ players since the Kovalchuk debacle.

    At this point of the rebuild, bringing in older, single dimensional players is counter to their direction. They do need to elevate from their own pipeline to take that spot. However, they aren't in "Win Now" mode and have no need to make a trade like this.
     
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  8. TheImpatientPanther Take us to the top Q!

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    Hard to turn down the 8th year option and $88 mil though. He has been vocal about not using rebuilding as an excuse.

    From an article in November 2019.


    Never said they were in win now mode. Nobody expects a building team to go from 70-75pts to a contender, its a process.
    Some teams have shown they can re-tool in 2 years instead of a 4-5 year rebuild.

    For me OTT and DET went full rebuild.
    You guys are re-tooling imo because you still have Kopitar and Doughty but feel some LA fans think they need a 4-5 build even those two above would be into their mid to late 30s by the time they start contending.

    So we know Byfield at #2.

    What positions do you feel are of need with those three 2nd rounders if you draft them?

    More D? Winger depth?
     
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    All could be true, I just don't have enuf info as to does Quick actually have enuf left in the tank.
    "He may have to" is subordinate to what he actually can still deliver, and I don't know how much that is.
     
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    If Doughty wanted out, that eighth year wouldn't stop him. He would've gotten paid elsewhere.

    The Kings are transforming to a completely different system with a different strategy. That's not adding different pieces to the same system. This is very much a rebuild.

    There will come a time in where the Kings will be ready for trade(s), now is not the time. Blake may look at bridge deals like a Hutton type, but not trading assets for a Yandle type.
     
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    not to go off tangent here, subject for a dif thread, but other thread evaluating OEL to Bos thought retained Yandle a possible there.

    mentioned here to establish, small number, but def 1-2 alternate sites for Yandy-man:
    BOS
    MON
     
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    Trading a 26 year old winger playing on the 1st line for a 34 year old dman playing in the 3rd pairing is not a winning recipe. LA already has Sean Walker as the puck mover on the 3rd pairing and has the cap space to sign a Hutton type players. Mikey Anderson will be given opportunity to play on the top PP unit who has some offensive potential and will need the experience. LA also has Clague and Bjornfot close to making the team, Yandle was would just clog up the 3rd pairing at 6.35 million for 3 years
     
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    He is too old. There isn't much of a reason for LA to pay to add a defenseman like him when they aren't looking to really compete this year. They are looking for a veteran defensemen, but what they really mean is they are looking for a 28-33 year old stopgap UFA or very inexpensive trade to help the kids develop.
     
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    Maybe 5 years ago...
     
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    I'd first ask Panthers fans if there's any chance of Yandle being exposed for the expansion draft?

    If so, then L.A. would be doing Florida a favour, and as such, would be in a position to offer less than a fair hockey trade going the other way. I.e. At least take Iafallo out of this offer.
     
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    I was agreeing that the salary hit is three firsts but because Yandle is not a useless player plus Hepo is in there, plus retention on Yandle, the additional cost of picks will not be three firsts. Maybe one first will do.

    Previous trades of salary dumps usually are of 5 mil salaries of one year term cost either a top prospect or a first. Since the term here is three years (with retention to about 5m) it’s three firsts, in a vacuum. Then subtract Hepo and the fact that Yandle is not a useless player, I’ve gotten down to a first. Basically it’s to cover the third year.
     
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    Not that I don't agree with you here but can you post some examples?
    Not sure there is one where it's been multiple years recently outside Zaitsev? And he wasn't even retained, he was moved at full cap-hit.
    Lucic was retained a bit in the Neal deal.

    We just saw Bjugstad retained down from $4 million to $2 million and got a conditional 7th.

    So what we looking at here then?

    Yandle retained down to $4.85 mil (FLA retains 750k, X team retains 750k)
    Heponiemi
    *2022/2023 1st* - 2020 1st (12th) isn't moving and unlikely 2021 1st will too, FLA could be a bottom 10 team next year.

    for

    Grundstrom
    2020 3rd (CBJ)

    Not saying I do it but just curious what you're thinking after all this back and forth, which I appreciate.
     
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    I think this year with Covid, flat cap, lower revenues, etc, $6.35M in cap space (and almost that much real $$) is worth a lot more than the current version of Keith Yandle. Teams are going to be giving up assets to dump salary and there will be a Buyer's market for many UFAs (only the elite guys will get paid).

    I see no reason for the kings to do this deal given that they are still years away from contention.
     
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    He's owed $13.2 million but caphit is just over 19 million total.
    We (FLA) offered retention to under $5 million cap and that brings money owed down to around $8.5 million total.
     
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    iirc signing bonuses are paid on the first the day of the season so if Yandle is traded later on then his base salary for this year is $2.75mil which in turn would average out his salary to $4.33mil for the remaining part for his contract.
     
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    Perhaps the opposite side of the table should conduct some door-to-door interviews, like proposing Giordano plus couple of first round picks for some C-tier prospect in LA's pool.
     
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    There are several deals for a similar salary/cap hit but usually no one is willing to take on a multi-year hit. Toronto dumping Marleau to Carolina is one. Most teams are unwilling to tie their hands for more than one season. The going rate for 5-6 mil is understood to be a 1st rounder. I’ve tried to be fair to just do a rate 1x per year in the term but to be real, very likely each year after the first would probably cost more and more.
    Also, Grundstrom is a deal-breaker. We have a ton of young centers (9 on the farm, 3 in the NHL) and only a handful of wings.
     
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    Instead of giving up assets for a PPQB, Kings should just sign Barrie. He's not nearly as bad as he looked this year in Toronto. He just couldn't find a groove. I'm certain he still has good years left in him. More than Yandle for sure.
     
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    this
    you can be picky and say a full 6 is a 1st and 5-5.99 is a 2nd/2nd+, but pretty much this
     
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    I'm not so sure.
    Barrie is overrated AND he sucks.

    Yandle actually can play but is getting older and showing wear and tear.
    However, only 3 more years so....
     

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