Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Joel Armia, Steve Mason, 2020 4th & 2019 7th to Habs for Simon Bourque

[kylbaz]

Yeah, went from 1990-2015 to have a good sample.
Point is there's quite few players taken in the 4th round who enjoyed good NHL careers.
Wanna take a look for yourself ? Have fun; NHL and WHA Draft History at Hockeydb.com

I did. There's maybe one a year. Not to mention someone like zhamnov went 77 overall which today would be the third round.

You went back 25 years and came up with roughly 40.

 

[Maffew]

Timmins has been head scout since 2003, is that your timeline? Because if it is, I'll take your bet. (I haven't looked it up yet, so it's a friendly bet)

Yep, the 2003 draft and onwards. I did the searching manually, so if you happen to find a site that can aggregate that info, I'd be really interested to see it!

 

[ohmyjlord]

I did. There's maybe one a year. Not to mention someone like zhamnov went 77 overall which today would be the third round.

You went back 25 years and came up with roughly 40.

Quickly listed about 50...not counting guys like Marcus Foligno, Chris Wideman, Cedric Paquette, Dale Weise and whatnot...
But you believe what you want to believe my friend. I'd rather have two 4th than only one...especially when trading an AHLer taken in the 6th round.

 

[thepuckguru]

Its Timmins*
And yah he's not good. Outside the 2007 draft which is an outlier/anomaly he's been rather horrid. But wow let's just say hes great because trash like Michael McCarron, Jared tinordi, louie leblanc, etc played a few games on the 4th line and last pairing on a depthless habs team. Timmins gets credit for 2 things. 2007 draft and Carey price. Hes lived off these anomalies for his career. Just because you draft a few dime a dozen grinders (Ryan White, Matt D'agostini, etc) that end up playing 300 plus games, doesn't make you a draft genius (which skews those GP numbers). I hope you understand that.

Oh please, you can look at any Scout and find bad picks, Unfortunately, over his career his first round picks where 17 on average. It's common knowledge that Gainey picked leblanc.
2007 draft alone makes him a genuis. The two Gally's, Halak, Sergachev, Mete, Halak and Streit(9th rounders) Grabovsky, the tits brothers, Emelin and like a lot of other heads of scouts a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners Andrighetto, Hudon, Lehkonen and a bottom pairing defencemen Beaulieu. What I understand is that he is more than just anomalies. Do you?

 

[kylbaz]

Quickly listed about 50...not counting guys like Marcus Foligno, Chris Wideman, Cedric Paquette, Dale Weise and whatnot...
But you believe what you want to believe my friend. I'd rather have two 4th than only one...especially when trading an AHLer taken in the 6th round.

It's pretty much useless and you just look silly trying to defend it.

 

[ohmyjlord]

It's pretty much useless and you just look silly trying to defend it.

Whatever.
You win. I lose.
You care. I don't.

See, everybody gets what they want, and the world keeps on spinning.
What a beautiful day to be alive.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Both teams win this trade. Everyone always tries to argue about who won or who lost .

Jets win cuz they gain cap space

Montreal wins cuz they got a good not great 3rd maybe 2nd liner for them and a couple meh picks. .

Both teams got what they wanted here.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It's pretty much useless and you just look silly trying to defend it.

Is this supposed to be logical or is it a "the press is the enemy of the people" kind of post ?

And it is a beautiful day.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Jets have the depth to replace armia

Armia gets a chance to get more minutes in Montreal.

Plus perhaps people will now pronounce his last name correctly. Since they didn't all playoffs long .

 

[thepuckguru]

Lol Tampa at the bottom. Proves this list doesn't mean much.

Honestly, I thought Tampa would be right up there. Go back and look at Tampa's draft history. Apart from a few early first round picks, 2011 and the occasionl late pick, it really isn't impressive. Check it out.
Tampa Bay Lightning Draft History at hockeydb.com

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Armia is also from Pori, same city Kotka is from.

Maybe they got him so Kotka can have someone who can help him acclimate?

 

[Kale Hulls]

Pretty good value for eating a bad contract.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

If you guys traded Armia to resign Statsny, you are mad.

Why choose a player who turns 33 this year over a player who is at his prime?
You'd choose a player who is one big injury away from end of career?

PS. he has only 2 x full 82 and 1 x 81, 1 x 79 game seasons,12 seasons, in 8 of them
he has suffered some sort of injury, include 4 major injuries and 1 serious infection which
led to Appendectomy.

 

[Subbanned]

Bergevin finally makes a good one! Think Armia is a great add for taking on the salary of Mason. Love his game and think he has some upside that we can give him a chance in a bigger offensive role since we really have nothing else anyways!

 

[Upperdeckjet]

I think the Montreal fans will like Joel Armia. Keep your expectations tempered and he will surprise you. He's just a little inconsistent.

 

[Mestaruus]

Armia is also from Pori, same city Kotka is from.

Maybe they got him so Kotka can have someone who can help him acclimate?

Kotkaniemi has said Armia was his idol even before this signing so yes, he will be a mentor for him most likely.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

There's probably a 1% chance that Armia has a Wild Bill breakout season with a new team and more minutes

And we paid next to nothing for that 1% chance so why not

Also lets us flip Shaw and/or Byron when they heal up

 

[Alluckks]

Where's that Jets fan telling me that Steve Mason was worth a 3rd

 

[libertarian]

If you guys traded Armia to resign Statsny, you are mad.

Why choose a player who turns 33 this year over a player who is at his prime?
You'd choose a player who is one big injury away from end of career?

PS. he has only 2 x full 82 and 1 x 81, 1 x 79 game seasons,12 seasons, in 8 of them
he has suffered some sort of injury, include 4 major injuries and 1 serious infection which
led to Appendectomy.

Uhhh, maybe because the Jets can win the cup in 2019. Stastny make them better then without him. Gives the Jets crazy good centre depth. All that said I am worried about what kind of term he gets but if they win the cup next season, who cares. If they don't win a cup while Stastny plays for the Jets then they will be in cap hell without a cup.

All this is on the assumption that Stastny signs with the Jets today.

 

[Scintillating10]

Both teams win this trade. Everyone always tries to argue about who won or who lost .

Jets win cuz they gain cap space

Montreal wins cuz they got a good not great 3rd maybe 2nd liner for them and a couple meh picks. .

Both teams got what they wanted here.

Think Joel is offensive effort to play on our 2nd line? Take into account we are likely rebuilding. Of some sort.

 

[Scintillating10]

Kotkaniemi has said Armia was his idol even before this signing so yes, he will be a mentor for him most likely.

Maybe a factor why Montreal acquired him?

 

[Scintillating10]

If you guys traded Armia to resign Statsny, you are mad.

Why choose a player who turns 33 this year over a player who is at his prime?
You'd choose a player who is one big injury away from end of career?

PS. he has only 2 x full 82 and 1 x 81, 1 x 79 game seasons,12 seasons, in 8 of them
he has suffered some sort of injury, include 4 major injuries and 1 serious infection which
led to Appendectomy.

Jets are close to a Cup. Imagine that is why

 

[ismelofhockey]

Yep, the 2003 draft and onwards. I did the searching manually, so if you happen to find a site that can aggregate that info, I'd be really interested to see it!

Yeah I should be so lucky! No, it's going to be manually for me too. But if you're not doing it with hockeydb.com, then I suggest you try them. They have all the drafts by year or by team.

First up will be Ottawa, from 2003 onwards:

2003: Eaves, Elliott both over 300 games.
2004: Meszaros over 300, Regin over 100
2005: Lee and Greening, over 100
2006: Foligno, Condra over 300, Gryba over 100
2007:
2008: Karlsson, Smith over 300, Wiercioch, Grant, Borowiecki over 100
2009: Silfverberg, Hoffman over 300, Cowen, Lehner, Wideman over 100
2010: Stone over 300
2011: Zibanejad, Pageau over 300, Noesen, Prince, Claesson, Dzingel over 100
2012: Ceci over 300
2013: Lazar over 100

Total over 300: 12
Total over 100: 28

So fewer 300 gamers, but more 100 gamers. Does that count?

San Jose

2003: Michalek, Bernier, Carle, Pavelski over 300
2004: Mitchell over 300, Greiss over 100
2005: Setoguchi, Vlasic over 300, Joslin over 100
2006: McGinn over 300
2007: Couture, Bonino, Braun over 300, F. McLaren over 100
2008: Wingels, Demers over 300
2009:
2010: Coyle over 300
2011: Nieto over 300, DeMelo over 100
2012: Hertl over 300, Tierney over 100
2014: Labanc over 100
2015: Meier over 100

16 over 300, 23 over 100

It does seem like Timmins' record is pretty solid. Next up Tampa Bay.

 

[GigaChad]

 

[204hockey]

god damn im gonna miss those mitts