Would you sign Duchene / Stone?

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  1. topshelf15

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    After the Matthews signing,and seeing that bonus up front cash....EM is likely more inclined to sell the team lol
     
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  2. Gesus

    Gesus Melnyk eats babies

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    I don't think Eugene cares, he's here for the appreciating asset and nothing else. Pretty clear he doesn't care about the hockey product itself.
     
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    Yep for sure that has been apparent for quite some time...Its all about what it can make him
     
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    Maybe you meant to put a /s on this? I am not getting my hopes up on the return for Stone/Duchene. We wont be getting any blue chip prospects. Most likely a first for each and a mid level prospect and a 3rd liner.
     
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    Well he did say a haul......lol
     
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    I just want both Stone and Duchene to sign. Trade Dzingel, move Anderson, move Boedker, waive Boro. To much to ask?

    Dzingel will get us a late first. Then Sens need to go hard and find a top paring Dman to play with Chabot and another top 4 dman.
     
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    We'll never go hard finding a decent roster player. Those days are over.
     
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    Hey wait a minute there.

    That's a lot of salary you want to lock up. Duchene/Stone/UFA's that will need long-term deals. And we suck at anything pro-scouting related.

    What happens if the cap floor is a little lower than we expect. Can't get rid of the rookies, that would be too obvious. We need some mid-level guys that can be jetisoned to keep us in line with NOT SPENDING ANY F'N MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE IDIOTS THAT CANT BUILD A COMPETITIVE TEAM.


    :) okay, i'm done for the night.
     
  9. Do Make Say Think

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    Of course I'd sign them: the team has bled talent for years, need to stop the bleeding of the fanbase to have a future.

    Granted, it is easy for me say; I don't know what is going on behind the scenes/how desperately broke Melnyk is.

    If it was let them go and build for the future or sign them and hope we make the playoffs a few years in a row or else we fold/sell the franchise then I wouldn't sign them.

    Problem is, this franchise has a huge credibility problem. Nothing will change this until commitment leads to results.
     
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    Stone first then Duchene
     
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    1) Melnyk isnt going to pay large signing bonus's required to keep Stone/Duchene

    2) Even if by a miracle Melnyk was willing to open the dusty wallet, Mark & Matt probably want out of this tirefire of an organization anyways

    Hope for the best but prepare and expect the worst...
     
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    Those were my thoughts too... clock is ticking
     
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    Well, Melnyk just claimed that the window will be 2021 to 2025, so Duchene will be 30 to 35 during that window, and Stone will be 29 to 34.

    The only player currently signed during that window is Ryan for the first year.

    This is what we have under our control with NHL potential

    Tkachuk-White-Batherson
    Balcers-Brown-
    Chlapip-Norris-
    Formenton-

    Chabot-JBD
    Lajoie-Jaros
    Wolanin-Tychonick?

    I mean, if everthing goes as well as can be hoped, that's not bad, but we all know some of those guys aren't meeting expectations.
     
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  14. danielpalfredsson

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    I think Hoffman gets moved regardless because there were guys in the room on Karlsson's side and on Hoffman's side. So keeping Hoffman risks alienating the guys still in the room who were close with Karlsson.

    I don't want to go into a 32 post odyssey about this, but I don't think trading Hoffman was an indication that the team was keeping Karl. At least where Melnyk is concerned, I think Karl was always gone it was just a matter of when.
     
  15. danielpalfredsson

    danielpalfredsson wishes he thought of 'pete dorito' first

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    I think signing bonuses will be taken care of in the next CBA renewal. So Melnyk won't have to worry about that for long. It could theoretically be taken care of before Chabot and Tkachuk become RFAs.
     
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    LeBrun was saying yesterday that many team cannot afford to structure contracts like Toronto has. AAV is one thing but that type of structure is another. And maybe i'm reding more into his words than he meant but my sense was he was implying the people all around the league know this.
     
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    I think signing bonuses will be addressed in the next round of CBA negotiations, but I'm not sure they "will be taken care of" and least not enough to help this team.

    Lockout and buyout proof, I don't think the PA will yield easily on this issue and they'll be supported (even if not overtly) by the wealthiest teams that can use them to their advantage.

    I could see signing bonuses become limited to a % per year of the AAV or total earnings in a year or something similar, but even if that's as low as ~ 25%, I think that's still a problem for this organization? I meant this team struggles with one $2M annual bonus for one player...

    My two cents.
     
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    I would sign Duchene, trade Stone for a young legit defensman+
     
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    And I believe he wants to wait this out and sign no one to major bonuses until the CBA is renegotiated. If so, Stone and others will be let go. Hope I'm wrong.
     
  20. danielpalfredsson

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    I could see the NHLPA using it as a bargaining chip to get something they want because these major signing bonuses only help the top percentage of players. The majority of NHLers don't see these kind of contracts.
     
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    If we trade Stone, our best winger. Why would Duchene want to sign with the sens when he can choose to go anywhere?
     
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    Both or none
     
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    I tend to agree: There doesn't seem to be much of a point in keeping only one. Both or bust.
     
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    Alternative take. Let's pay whoever actually wants to stick this thing out with a Melnyk owned, Dorion run, last place 2 years running, team.
     
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    Pretty much. Beggars can't be choosers.

    As our C.O.O said, we have to make the cap floor. I'd rather that money be spent on on one of those guys instead of a couple of chumps who are stupid enough to sigh here in free agency.
     

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