Would You Rather Draft: Crosby And Malkin Or McDavid And Ovechkin?

[Tad Mikowsky]

Because "let their point totals and/or PPGs" speak for themselves" is somehow slanderous???

But if you think pts/60 is the best way to measure the better player, here are the Top 5 pts/60 for 17/18 (min. of 65 games):

Malkin
MacKinnon
Hall
Marchand
Kucherov

Looks like a certain player is missing from there.




incoming ES stats in 3, 2, 1......

No, daver, you're missing the point entirely yet again.

You will just find another way, WHICH YOU JUST DID, to discredit McDavid.

Just because I disagree with how a stat is used, doesn't mean that your contortionist agenda is being played. Which it is. Again.

In a span of a year you went from:

All that matters is total production to

All that matters is PPG

to

All that matters is total production

to

All that matters is playoff points

to

 

[daver]

No, daver, you're missing the point entirely yet again.

You will just find another way, WHICH YOU JUST DID, to discredit McDavid.

Just because I disagree with how a stat is used, doesn't mean that your contortionist agenda is being played. Which it is. Again.

In a span of a year you went from:

All that matters is total production to

All that matters is PPG

to

All that matters is total production

to

All that matters is playoff points

to

Still confused.

You think Malkin's superior p/60 vs. Crosby is a valid point but you don't agree with p/60 when it favours another player over McDavid?

 

[Deam78]

McDavid and Ovi.. EVERY GOD DAMN DAY OF THE YEAR

Except for the 365 days you actually go for the right choice and take Crosby and Malkin

 

[Future GOAT]

Obviously you take the best center since Lemieux and the possibly GOAT goal scorer.

64% agree so far.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Crosby and Malkin is Crosby and Malkin, but Ovi and McDavid could be anything! They could even be Crosby and Malkin!

Lol at this site

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Obviously you take the best center since Lemieux and the possibly GOAT goal scorer.

64% agree so far.

Good one. Or you take the duo that has won 3 championships already.

 

[Future GOAT]

Good one. Or you take the duo that has won 3 championships already.

I chose the best center of the 3 and the arguably GOAT goal scorer. They also seem to be the more durable duo as well which is very important.

I'm very happy with it as are the majority of voters.

 

[daver]

Obviously you take the best center since Lemieux and the possibly GOAT goal scorer.

64% agree so far.

....... to not ever be above a PPG in the playoffs.

 

[Future GOAT]

....... to not ever be above a PPG in the playoffs.

Daver coming through with the salt.

 

[PunkRockLocke]

Incredibly unlikely that Ovechkin and McDavid combined match Crosby and Malkin's combined Cup total, when it's all said and done.

So, the answer is obvious. 87 and 71.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I chose the best center of the 3 and the arguably GOAT goal scorer. They also seem to be the more durable duo as well which is very important.

I'm very happy with it as are the majority of voters.

Interesting? Mcdavid better than Crosby? Who’s put in a decade plus of elite play. Very interesting indeed

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Mcdavid will need to have some serious playoff performances to surpass Crosby. Crosby at 21 already had 27, 31 point playoffs

 

[Future GOAT]

Championships are team dependent. From the wording of the poll it's a draft, meaning these guys can start their careers at the same time, but don't have any championships since we're drafting them, we also don't know about the caliber of team.

Crosby and Malkin had some pretty solid teams around them in their championships. There is no guarantee they get that this draft which means there is no guarantee they get any championships. So we're basically choosing these guys just on individual skill alone, and obviously McDavid being better than Crosby and Malkin is a good start, then you add the arguably GOAT goal scorer with him and we can see why the majority choose McDavid and Ovi over the others.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Championships are team dependent. From the wording of the poll it's a draft, meaning these guys can start their careers at the same time, but don't have any championships since we're drafting them, we also don't know about the caliber of team.

Crosby and Malkin had some pretty solid teams around them in their championships. There is no guarantee they get that this draft which means there is no guarantee they get any championships. So we're basically choosing these guys just on individual skill alone, and obviously McDavid being better than Crosby and Malkin is a good start, then you add the arguably GOAT goal scorer with him and we can see why the majority choose McDavid and Ovi over the others.

Or maybe because it’s 2 fanbases vs 2 players on one of the most hated teams in the history of the sports..

 

[Future GOAT]

Or maybe because it’s 2 fanbases vs 2 players on one of the most hated teams in the history of the sports..

No, I don't think you guys are victims any more than Ovi and McDavid are in this poll. Ovi and McDavid have their fair share of dislikers too. Like you I could play the victim and suggest maybe the largest fanbase in the league "Leafs fans" voted specifically against McDavid, as the Matthews vs McDavid thread/debate conjured up a lot of animosity which continues to this day from some of those fans along with the resentment from some of those fans not getting him, or that Ovi haters voted against him for whatever reasons but the reality is most Leaf fans and hockey fans in general are pretty reasonable people and if there are any votes against either option like that, they most likely offset each other.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

No, I don't think you guys are victims any more than Ovi and McDavid are in this poll. Ovi and McDavid have their fair share of dislikers too. Like you I could play the victim and suggest maybe the largest fanbase in the league "Leafs fans" voted specifically against McDavid, as the Matthews vs McDavid thread/debate conjured up a lot of animosity which continues to this day along with the resentment of them not getting him, or that Ovi haters voted against him for whatever reasons but the reality is most Leaf fans and hockey fans in general are pretty reasonable people and if there are any votes against either option like that, they most likely offset each other.

Im not playing the victim at all. I’m just giving you the reason why McDavid and Ovechkin are leading this poll.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

It really is great that nobody on this site is a gm.

 

[Syyncrow]

It really is great that nobody on this site is a gm.

Yeah, the 37% would not last long.

 

[Future GOAT]

Im not playing the victim at all. I’m just giving you the reason why McDavid and Ovechkin are leading this poll.

You're not giving me "the reason". You're just exhibiting your coping mechanism.

 

[Varan]

It really is great that nobody on this site is a gm.

You realize you just dissed yourself right?

 

[daver]

Championships are team dependent. From the wording of the poll it's a draft, meaning these guys can start their careers at the same time, but don't have any championships since we're drafting them, we also don't know about the caliber of team.

Crosby and Malkin had some pretty solid teams around them in their championships. There is no guarantee they get that this draft which means there is no guarantee they get any championships. So we're basically choosing these guys just on individual skill alone, and obviously McDavid being better than Crosby and Malkin is a good start, then you add the arguably GOAT goal scorer with him and we can see why the majority choose McDavid and Ovi over the others.

Based on what? Crosby's first three years > McDavid's first three years, Malkin's too for that matter.

 

[Regal]

It's hard because we don't know what McDavid is going to be or how healthy he will be. I can see him having the best career out of these 4, but he coukd also end up with the worst. As it stands, I would take the Pittsburgh duo in the playoffs over their career, and while Ovechkin was always healthy and McDavid might be as well, a team with Crosby-Malkin should be good enough to make the playoffs every year anyway, to the point where regular season health isn't that important.

 

[Future GOAT]

Based on what? Crosby's first three years > McDavid's first three years, Malkin's too for that matter.

Nope McDavid's first three > Crosby's first three when you take into account PPO's PP reliance/percentage of points from the PP as well as PP linemates and 2 > 1 Art Ross with McDavid having the more difficult route to his points.

I predict you're gonna pretend to conveniently forget the conversation we already had about this in the other thread. If you want to continue that discussion it's still there feel free to bump it.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Nope McDavid's first three > Crosby's first three when you take into account PPO's PP reliance/percentage of points from the PP as well as PP linemates and 2 > 1 Art Ross with McDavid having the more difficult route to his points.

I predict you're gonna pretend to conveniently forget the conversation we already had about this in the other thread. If you want to continue that discussion it's still there feel free to bump it.

1 cup > 0 cups.

Am I doing this right?

 

[Future GOAT]

1 cup > 0 cups.

Am I doing this right?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/148345421/
You guys seem to like to conveniently "forget" recent discussions quite often.