Would You Rather Draft: Crosby And Malkin Or McDavid And Ovechkin?

[Elias Pettersson]

McDavid > Crosby
Ovechkin > Malkin

Pretty ez AINEC

 

[daver]

Pts/60 leaders since 11-12 (minimum 50 games played):

11-12: Malkin 4.15
13-14: Malkin 3.59
14-15: Seguin 3.33
15-16: Kane 3.80
16-17: Malkin 3.74
17-18: Malkin 3.97

Too bad his all around game is not good enough to garner more icetime or win the #1C job from Crosby.

BTW, what's the name of the Trophy they give to the pts/60 leader?

 

[Laineux]

Pts/60 leaders since 11-12 (minimum 50 games played):

11-12: Malkin 4.15
13-14: Malkin 3.59
14-15: Seguin 3.33
15-16: Kane 3.80
16-17: Malkin 3.74
17-18: Malkin 3.97

You should split this in 5vs5 and PP otherwise it's a worthless stat.

For example in 13/14 Malkin's and Crosby's icetime splits go like this

Crosby:
17:11 ES
0:30 PK
4:17 PP
21:58 total

Malkin:
15:28 ES
0:02 PK
4:34 PP
20:04 total

So as you see Malkin had a more favourable situation to put up points per a minute played as a larger portion of his minutes were PP minutes, and he didn't PK.

 

[daver]

You should split this in 5vs5 and PP otherwise it's a worthless stat.

It is a worthless stat when you are looking at the elite offensive players especially on the same team. Among it's flaws, it's ridiculous to think that coaches aren't maximizing the talent of one of the best offensive players in the world; that there is an element of them not meeting their potential because they don't get the same icetime as another player.

If Malkin truly was the better player, he would have gotten more icetime.

 

[Laineux]

It is a worthless stat when you are looking at the elite offensive players especially on the same team. Among it's flaws, it's ridiculous to think that coaches aren't maximizing the talent of one of the best offensive players in the world; that there is an element of them not meeting their potential because they don't get the same icetime as another player.

If Malkin truly was the better player, he would have gotten more icetime.

Since 2007-2008
Crosby
5vs5 2.8 p/60
PP 6.02 p/60

Malkin
5vs5 2.57 p/60
PP 6.08 p/60

Crosby is the more efficient producer at 5vs5 (playing harder minutes too). Malkin gets higher portion of his minutes at powerplay which makes it easier to have a higher p/60.

 

[Thenameless]

I went with Crosby and Malkin because of the proven greatness. If you're using hindsight but are drafting all four at the age of 18 then yes, the pair have been injured more, but they've also won more Stanley Cups. The goal after all, is for your team to win. If McDavid achieves one or two Stanley Cups and one or two Conn Smythes, then this comparison gets a lot closer.

 

[daver]

Since 2007-2008
Crosby
5vs5 2.8 p/60
PP 6.02 p/60

Malkin
5vs5 2.57 p/60
PP 6.08 p/60

Crosby is the more efficient producer at 5vs5 (playing harder minutes too). Malkin gets higher portion of his minutes at powerplay which makes it easier to have a higher p/60.

Meh, I don't see a real reason the breakdown their respective PPGs. I think the numbers speak for themselves. As does their respective roles on their team.

 

[bobbyking]

Too bad his all around game is not good enough to garner more icetime or win the #1C job from Crosby.

BTW, what's the name of the Trophy they give to the pts/60 leader?

Pp/60 is better then ppg

 

[NoMessi]

Too bad his all around game is not good enough to garner more icetime or win the #1C job from Crosby.

BTW, what's the name of the Trophy they give to the pts/60 leader?

So you are like the kids that only counts subjective trophies. Do you, like the other kids, also see the All Star game as the biggest game of the year?

Pts/60 is a hard stat that shows that Malkin produces the most point in the league when hes on the ice, period.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Gotta go 2 play making centres as they make any winger better. Crosby and Malkin for me.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Points Per 60 -- when real points don't favor the guy you're championing.

 

[daver]

Pp/60 is better then ppg

Why? Do you think coaches are idiots who don't know who their best players are?

 

[bobbyking]

Why? Do you think coaches are idiots who don't know who their best players are?

If shows efficency ppg isn't as accurate if someone plays more minutes. But I didn't say he was better did I?

 

[treple13]

For everyone using Malkin's durability in this thread, just a note: he has missed 49 games in the last three seasons. McDavid has missed 37. More, but not by a ridiculously huge amount.

I'd go with the pairing that has proven their eliteness when it counts: Malkin & Crosby.

 

[La Masse]

Sid and Geno rather easily. Two C vs a C and Winger.

Sid and Geno are amazing in the regular season and in the playoffs plus they have 3 cups.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Meh, I don't see a real reason the breakdown their respective PPGs. I think the numbers speak for themselves. As does their respective roles on their team.

Ah, here’s the classic total dismissal of a completely valid point, because it doesn’t fit your slander McDavid prop Crosby up agenda.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Pp/60 is better then ppg

I disagee a lot with P/60 because it heavily skews players who do not play many minutes.

 

[bobbyking]

I disagee a lot with P/60 because it heavily skews players who do not play many minutes.

Well then do a minimum on minutes

 

[Filthy Dangles]

damn good poll. surprised to see it so much in favor of 97 and 8, even though I think that's the right choice, but a lot closer than the poll indicates

 

[daver]

Ah, here’s the classic total dismissal of a completely valid point, because it doesn’t fit your slander McDavid prop Crosby up agenda.

Because "let their point totals and/or PPGs" speak for themselves" is somehow slanderous???

But if you think pts/60 is the best way to measure the better player, here are the Top 5 pts/60 for 17/18 (min. of 65 games):

Malkin
MacKinnon
Hall
Marchand
Kucherov

Looks like a certain player is missing from there.




incoming ES stats in 3, 2, 1......

 

[Tobias Kahun]

For everyone using Malkin's durability in this thread, just a note: he has missed 49 games in the last three seasons. McDavid has missed 37. More, but not by a ridiculously huge amount.

I'd go with the pairing that has proven their eliteness when it counts: Malkin & Crosby.

What about the last 2 seasons?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Because "let their point totals and/or PPGs" speak for themselves" is somehow slanderous???

But if you think pts/60 is the best way to measure the better player, here are the Top 5 pts/60 for 17/18 (min. of 65 games):

Malkin
MacKinnon
Hall
Marchand
Kucherov

Looks like a certain player is missing from there.




incoming ES stats in 3, 2, 1......

Yeah what a shocker, Crosby is missing

 

[daver]

Well then do a minimum on minutes

Why would you think a better player gets less minutes? Especially on the same team?

 

[daver]

Ah, here’s the classic total dismissal of a completely valid point, because it doesn’t fit your slander McDavid prop Crosby up agenda.

I disagee a lot with P/60 because it heavily skews players who do not play many minutes.

I am confused. Is p/60 a valid point or not?

Or does it depend on whether it props up your slander Crosby prop McDavid up agenda?

 

[nturn06]

Well then do a minimum on minutes

OK, lets pick 21 minutes per game as the minimum then....