Would the Sedins have made us a playoff team?

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Hypothetical... Would the Sedins have let us be able to squeak into the playoffs? I know this lineup is assumed healthy but it still looks a hell of alot better then what we have.

Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Leivo Pettersson Boeser
Baertschi Horvat Virtanen
Roussel Gaudette Sutter

Edler Tanev
Hutton Stecher
Hughes Schenn

Markstrom
Demko
 

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I'm leaning towards that as well. But having an extra two 50ish point players would have to account for at least a few more points in the standings. It would be close.

Not to mention alot more pressure off Pettersson.

I don't know, man. As bad as this season was, I'm glad we're done with the Sedin era. They were done last season and they're both planets who pull everything in this organization and market into their orbit. I think this team would have been marginally better but that would have meant Elmer would be picking around 10 instead of around 5. We'd also be subjected to another year of the Sedin farewell tour which was overshadowing a lot of problems with this team which are thankfully beginning to creep to the surface.
 

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They'd be much closer than they are now. That's for sure.

The PP wouldn't be bottom 3. Brock would have more PP goals. They'd have two excellent PP units.

They'd have been a perfect soft 3rd line, and they're quality players that could've insulated some youth. Gaudette would've looked slick next to them.
 
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Moving my post from the other thread haha:

Goldobin-Pettersson-Boeser
Baertschi-Horvat-Gaudette
Sedin-Sedin-Roussel
Leivo-Gaunce-Virtanen

With those forward lines, I think the Sedins still pop in 35-40 points each. Three lines deep, no Gudbranson or Pouliot level liabilities on defense, and Markstrom playing the same way? That's still only a 8-10 seed rather than the 12-15 seed we are now.

Even with the Sedins added and roster optimization (stripped of all the junk players), can't really see more than 8 or 9 points of improvement, which is how far back of the playoffs we are now.
 

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I forgot about Goldobin as well. Makes me realize that if we did have the Sedins we'd have alot of meh taking up cap space on the bench.

Goldobin
Granlund
Pearson
Spooner
Beagle
Motte
Schaller

Probably forgetting some lol.
 

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They were playing heavily sheltered minutes and their time was done so nope.

And yet they still would have been better than what...like the half the forwards on our roster no?

I'm not saying we'd be better off long-term if they stayed. But they could still play, and could have kept playing. A lot better than some of Benning's acquisitions to say the least. I mean, if he really valued "character" players so much...
 

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Canucks had something like 33 games decided by a single goal this year...and lost a lot on a lousy PP (imagine Pete with the Sedins..?)....There's a possibility that the Canucks could have squeaked in.

I'm glad they retired though, and the the young guys kicked it up a notch.
 
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I forgot about Goldobin as well. Makes me realize that if we did have the Sedins we'd have alot of meh taking up cap space on the bench.

Goldobin
Granlund
Pearson
Spooner
Beagle
Motte
Schaller

Probably forgetting some lol.

I'd assume if the Sedin's came back we wouldn't have Beagle and either Roussel or Schaller. They should be able to retain a low minute 50 point pace on each of them, so I think that would put us in the mix with Dallas/Minnesota/Arizona/Colorado for the last wild card spot.

They key ingredient here is now with both Pettersson and Horvat as capable centers you could shelter/rest the Sedin's even further and get more mileage out of them.
 

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No. Their time had come and it was painfully clear watching their last season. It would have been even harder to watch this season.
 
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At even strength they weren’t very effective anymore, but if you replace ineffective players like Spooner, Pearson, Motte etc with the twins it definitely gives us a boost because our PP would be a lot better. Not having H Sedin QB our PP has led to Edler/Hutton/Stecher having to do it and EP can’t be the setup man and the trigger man by himself.
 

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I'm leaning towards that as well. But having an extra two 50ish point players would have to account for at least a few more points in the standings. It would be close.

Not to mention alot more pressure off Pettersson.

Having two 50ish point players on the team would drop point totals of other players that wouldn’t get the same opportunities. Pettersson wouldn't of had the chance to run the PP from the half wall (hank). The team would have been much slower and not very difficult to play against. The Sedins at their current age wouldn’t of made much of a difference and we still would’ve missed the playoffs.
 
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Unlikely. They were pretty ineffective at 5v5 last year in terms of production and goals against. You'd maybe see a handful more points/wins but not enough to be a playoff team.
 

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And yet they still would have been better than what...like the half the forwards on our roster no?

I'm not saying we'd be better off long-term if they stayed. But they could still play, and could have kept playing. A lot better than some of Benning's acquisitions to say the least. I mean, if he really valued "character" players so much...

Stuff like protected minutes IMO is a micro argument, when the real macro issue is that a lot of the players - especially those who took the roster spots that the Sedins vacated, are just not that good to begin with.
 

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I'd like to see what they could do with Horvat and Pettersson drawing the tougher matchups.

Anyway, I think the Sedins would be very capable of playing a defensive 3rd line style game. They couldn't play the big minutes or skate in their last bit in the NHL but they were smart and were able to work along the boards. Their weak defensive play was a result of them trying to play a more offensive game rather than trying to keep the puck out of the net and chipping in here and there, but they just weren't good enough anymore to produce at the rate necessary to make up for weak defensive play.

I think the Sedins would be an excellent 3rd line that could be either very effective defensively when specifically put in that role, or could put up points against teams that put their top guys head to head against Pettersson and Horvat giving the Sedins easy matchups. Combined with having two solid PP units I think they could still be effective players in the NHL, assuming they were willing to take on that type of role and I think they would if it was on a competitive team.

Anyway replacing some of our trash players with the Sedins might be enough to get us in the playoffs with how bad the west is, but as I'm advocating them in a somewhat specialist role geared towards defensive play I don't think they would make us a respectable team. Removing Sutter, Schaller and Beagle and replacing their 9.275m salary with Gaunce at 750k + Sedins at 4 each would be a significant upgrade. Sutter could have been moved easily IMO and Beagle/Schaller should never have been signed so this isn't exactly a wild fantasy.

Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser
Leivo - Pettersson - Goldobin
Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Roussel - Gaudette - Virtanen
Gaunce

Move Gaunce in when Baertschi is injured, Motte in while Gaudette was in AHL / in the press box while Baertschi is out and Gaunce is in. Do whatever with Gagner/Granlund, Motte can be the up/down waivers guy

Edler - Tanev
Hutton - Stecher
MDZ - Gudbranson
Pouliot/Biega

Ideally dump both MDZ/Gudbranson as we did. I like Schenn so far and I wonder if we could have got something else for Gudbranson.

Certainly nothing special, but to me the question is "does replacing Sutter and Beagle with Henrik/Daniel make this a playoff team" and the answer is "eh maybe I guess but it makes us better".
 
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The better question would have been would we have been a playoff team if we replaced gudbrandson and pouliot with hamhuis and garrisson?
 

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Nope.

They could still play, but weren’t good defensively anymore. Would easily rather have them on the team than most of the junk, but they really wouldn’t improve the team much.
 

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