Would Tampa still be 1st without Kucherov?

[Rschmitz]

So the Presidents' Trophy is the MVP award of teams?

Sure, sounds like a reasonable description for the President's trophy since individual awards are based on the regular season too.

 

[PensandCaps]

They have crazy depth. Someone like Johnson would step up and have 10-20 more points if he had to play Kucherovs role.

So, yah i think they would be first easily still.

 

[SotasicA]

Sure, sounds like a reasonable description for the President's trophy since individual awards are based on the regular season too.

Well, in a world where the Art Ross Trophy and the Ted Lindsay Award are things, it certainly doesn't work like that for players.

Best player: Ted Lindsay ("most outstanding")
Player who made the most impact: Hart ("MVP")
Most points: Art Ross

There's no reason to try and confuse the three. In fact, they should be more clearly separated.

Kucherov is a front runner to only one of them.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Art Ross and Ted Lindsay are already rewards for the best player in the league.

 

[God King Fudge]

Yeah if you remove point and kucherov the team is inferior You're taking out Ur 1c and the best producer in hockey. But this thread is about kucherov off tbl

...tf are you talking about dude? Lol.

I said Kucherov is a big reason for the Stamkos revival this season, you responded with his 5v5 stats and how we plays mostly without Kuch.

I replied by saying it's because they don't play together that Stamkos gets easier matchups (in turn resulting in his production this season). I don't even follow your past reply, so I'll just leave it here:

Stamkos doesn't have the season he's having and Point doesn't have the season he's having without Kucherov. Period. Playing on the same line or not.

 

[sr edler]

This is a Aho thread in disguise.

 

[God King Fudge]

Well, in a world where the Art Ross Trophy and the Ted Lindsay Award are things, it certainly doesn't work like that for players.

Best player: Ted Lindsay ("most outstanding")
Player who made the most impact: Hart ("MVP")
Most points: Art Ross

There's no reason to try and confuse the three. In fact, they should be more clearly separated.

Kucherov is a front runner to only one of them.

He should be the front runner in all 3 if we're talking right now. Anything can change between now and the end of the season, but right now? Kucherov.

 

[ColbyChaos]

He should be the front runner in all 3 if we're talking right now. Anything can change between now and the end of the season, but right now? Kucherov.

Kucherov isnt carrying a bad team like Hall did for the Hart. Tampa makes the playoffs pretty comfortably even with him missing significant time.

 

[SotasicA]

He should be the front runner in all 3 if we're talking right now. Anything can change between now and the end of the season, but right now? Kucherov.

You think he is better than McDavid?

 

[God King Fudge]

You think he is better than McDavid?

Oh, right. I forgot we're at that stage where we don't suggest anyone in the league is more important than McDavid.

If the Oilers can make the playoffs, it can and should go to McDavid. Being the best player on the worst team doesn't make you the most valuable.

 

[psycat]

You think he is better than McDavid?

Why not? At the very least he close over the last year or so.

 

[Rschmitz]

You think he is better than McDavid?

All statistical evidence seems to indicate as much

 

[Panthaz89]

I'd have no problem with him winning the Hart if the Oilers don't make the playoffs and McDavid is close or passed him.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Kucherov isnt carrying a bad team like Hall did for the Hart. Tampa makes the playoffs pretty comfortably even with him missing significant time.

Taking a crappy team that would otherwise finish 11th or 12th and squeaking them in at 8th seed shouldn't be the criteria for what "most valuable to his team" means. "Most valuable to his team" should also account for a player turning a 4th or 5th seed into a runaway top seed.

 

[Pi]

When did the Hart become the trophy for the best player on the worst playoff team? Kucherov should win it.

 

[BLNY]

Kucherov is one of the best players in the league. Closest team mate is Point and he's 19 points behind. Tampa is a deep team though. Remove Kucherov and I suspect their still at the top of the division at least. It's just not by as much.

 

[Novak Djokovic]

Kucherov absolutely deserves the Hart Trophy as of now. And 94 points is a massive contribution to team. I'm sure they'd have more than few losses without him.

 

[MrThomas]

Well, in a world where the Art Ross Trophy and the Ted Lindsay Award are things, it certainly doesn't work like that for players.

Best player: Ted Lindsay ("most outstanding")
Player who made the most impact: Hart ("MVP")
Most points: Art Ross

There's no reason to try and confuse the three. In fact, they should be more clearly separated.

Kucherov is a front runner to only one of them.

Yeah that's true. So far it would be like this:

Ted Lindsay: Connor McDavid
Hart: Sebastian Aho
Art Ross: Nikita Kucherov

 

[DRW204]

...tf are you talking about dude? Lol.

I said Kucherov is a big reason for the Stamkos revival this season, you responded with his 5v5 stats and how we plays mostly without Kuch.

I replied by saying it's because they don't play together that Stamkos gets easier matchups (in turn resulting in his production this season). I don't even follow your past reply, so I'll just leave it here:

Stamkos doesn't have the season he's having and Point doesn't have the season he's having without Kucherov. Period. Playing on the same line or not.

Dude i agree with you, i am just saying your team is pretty f***ing good and you have elite depth. jesus man we get it

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

I'll never understand the logic that a player's value depends on how bad their team is.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I'm so tired of the Hart not going to the obviously best player of the season because people toy around with the word "value".

He's performed the best of all players in the NHL this season, therefore he should win the Hart. Doesn't matter if the rest of his team is great or garbage.

Okay. How does this show? Points? How does a Dman win the Hart? Going by your definition they might as well remove one of Art Ross or Hart trophy.

 

[Gsus]

I'm so tired of the Hart not going to the obviously best player of the season because people toy around with the word "value".

Take that off and you're right. I'm so tired of people thinking the best player of the season should win the Hart automatically. Lets not pretend that he doesn't have some elite talent in net for him for example. Or in Stamkos.

 

[AlphaCatalyst]

Yes.


On paper.

 

[King Mapes]

Of course. I don't think he should win the Hart.

 

[BrokenFace]

Okay. How does this show? Points? How does a Dman win the Hart? Going by your definition they might as well remove one of Art Ross or Hart trophy.

I'm not saying points should be the only metric. I just dislike that every year people act like making the playoffs is the only value a player can bring to a team in regards to the Hart.

To me it's becoming the MVP among players whose teams barely made the playoffs rather than the MVP of the league.

If one player helped his team get to 110 points and was the best player in the league, then he should win the Hart. Some other player who was nearly as good and helped his team get to 93 points shouldn't win the Hart just because 92 points was the cutoff for the playoffs.