Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by TopCheese, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM.
If they're interested in a serviceable right d why would they trade for Zaitsev
so, apart from after everyone started s****** on me, when was I rude? In my original post I was not rude, when I provided facts to show that Bracco is playing the same as/better than Nylander at the same age, I wasn't rude.
I was rude when other people decide that they are going to s*** all over my proposal because I am a leafs fan and god forbid I try to make a fair trade to get rid of a over-priced 3rd pairing defenceman.
also, again, when you negotiate with someone in real life, you do devalue their assets, especially when buying a car.
You say "Yeah well its got this and this and this wrong with it which will cost me x amount to fix and take x time to fix, so I will pay you x amount instead of y amount"
Devaluing the other persons asset is literally one of the key ways to negotiate for a car. Have you ever bought a car?
Didn't I say Lou gets the horns on this one? Did I not say this in the post you replied to? Obcourse I did. But you missed it. Wonder why?
As the GM. Ultimately the buck stops with him. But The Leafs mgt group I was told was a group think tank. You bet he asked around the room for opinions. And I bet it was a collective yay, not nay.
All in all, Lou getting Dion off the books without retention, with the Rielly team friendly signing more than made up for this collective blunder wouldn't you say?
When did Zaitsev get this kind of value?
Zaitsev + 2020-2nd for a 7th to OTT... problem solved
Thank you for the in depth analysis seems that Babcock is miss using him I suppose. Pairing him with Dermott as others have suggested as well should be set pairing. I'm guessing Gardiner is gone in off season so maybe Dermott moves to top four and this puts Zaitsev in a more favourable position to succeed next year.
he looks a lot worse than he is because he is an offensive defenceman who isn't the best defensively, forced to play the style of a defensive defenceman with a blackhole defensive partner in gardiner.
HFBoards likes to just take any s*** people throw on the leafs and run with it without ever actually, I dont know, watching the leafs play. Yes Zaitsev makes a lot of mistakes, but most defenceman do. His problem is that he is forced to be someone he isnt, and can't rely on his partner to bail him out
I never said anything about you being rude personally.
The typical “negotiation tactics” posters use on here often are rude. And yes, I’ve bought several vehicles over the course of my life and understand how negotiating works.
The problem here seems to be that you can’t see the difference between real life negotiation and the way people often conduct themselves on hf.
I'm sure there is at least one team in the league - probably more - that would want a player like Zaitsev the question is what they would be able to free up in return. Zaitsev in an off season trade anyways
Please close this one before I throw up. #Sabresfan
No I get that, what I don’t get is why I was being mocked for using real life negotiation strategies, you know the ones that the actual GMs who are making the trades use.
Man when I first joined this site I thought it would be a fun place to come and talk to hockey fans, propose trades and hey if the value was off that’s fine people will say why it’s wrong and that’s it. Fans of all teams could come together and appreciate hockey. But this place is toxic with a veeeeery toxic anti-leafs hivemind that mocks anything we try to post.
But hey, keeps insulting my actual negotiating strategies while everyone else sits here with fingers up their a** and their makebelieve negotioation strats
Why on earth would Buffalo want Zaitsev
Yeah no chance we would want Zaitsev.
He has negative value. Any deal needs to see Okposo going back the other way
Because at no point did i realistically think my mockery proposal was actually a legit good/feesable idea... You somehow thought your disaster was.
I could see that. Right before the 2020 Draft.
So a contract that's essentially worse than Zaitsev's....
Not paying to move him, will keep
I think if the leafs want to gain some cap relief, getting marleau to retire and move his contract to Arizona after his bonuses are paid, is the only real option.
Replacing Zaitsev from within or via UFA will be very difficult.
Replacing him via trade will be even more difficult, as I believe Dubas would've acquired a real RHD already instead of Muzzin.
We are stuck with Zaitsev, boyos.
so then why did you post it? i mean you obviously did think it was worth it because you even went as far as to provide me with the contract info. I highly doubt you would have done that, or added the stickers to make it look nice, if it was just a joke.
If you're going to make a s*** proposal, atleast stand by it.
It's going to be easier the longer the contract burns. Maybe it happens in the offseason? Maybe next TDL but it's going to happen.
Zaitsev gets a 3M dollar signing bonus July 1st 2019 and July 1st 2020.
Probably happens after one of those two dates.
Until the last word of the bolded sentence, I thought you were discussing Ristolainen
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