Proposal: Would any team take the Lucic contract for multiple picks?

[WJCJ]

What part of NMC until June of 2021 is not clear ?

Even after that it becomes modified and he gets to pick 8 teams he would accept a trade to and the following year 10 teams. I don't think they can even send him to the AHL without his permission never mind trade him somewhere that he doesn't want to go.

 

[GSP2018]

What part of NMC until June of 2021 is not clear ?

Lol he wants out. Terrible team and organization

 

[GSP2018]

I would like Lucic, but we would have to make a trade to make our caps work.

Lol yes. Trawnta needs more cap

 

[Alklha]

If all NMC/NTC clauses worked out would Arizona take lucic for a pair of seconds? If EDM trades Lucic+2nd to BOS for Backes. Boston then turns around and trades lucic+2nd+2nd to Arizona for happy thoughts. Edmonton slightly improves on players, gains leadership and reduces 2 years of a bad contract. Boston clears Backes off the cap. Arizona picks up a high and low second round pick for having to eat Lucic's contract. Would this work or is the valuation off?

Of course they wouldn't. A pair of 2nd round picks isn't worth $19m, it isn't just dead cap space they are left to deal with.

 

[WJCJ]

If all NMC/NTC clauses worked out would Arizona take lucic for a pair of seconds? If EDM trades Lucic+2nd to BOS for Backes. Boston then turns around and trades lucic+2nd+2nd to Arizona for happy thoughts. Edmonton slightly improves on players, gains leadership and reduces 2 years of a bad contract. Boston clears Backes off the cap. Arizona picks up a high and low second round pick for having to eat Lucic's contract. Would this work or is the valuation off?

The thing about Backes is that if the Bruins wait until next year and pay Backes his bonus($3 million bous-1 million base salary), he will have $1 million in salary left that year and 4 million the next year. So a team can get Backes for 2 years for $5 million in salary. Things will change dramatically when it comes to how hard it will be to trade Backes once they pay his bonus next year if they desire to do that.

If Boston wants to move Backes then they will most likely wait until next year when it will be much easier to do so and his contract changes to having a modified NMC. Why complicate things by getting involved with Lucic? They get nothing out of it in the end.

 

[WJCJ]

We’ve seen a team buy out a player with no cap savings in order to open up a protection slot. A 50% Lucic costing three mil for two seasons and less than a mil for two more would be a buyout with some precedent by then.

I don't think it works exactly like that. Lucic would be paid $625000 a year until 2027 if he was bought out. His cap hit for the final 4 years would be $625000 and before that one year over $3 million, one year over 4 million and two years over 5 million. The amount of money that the team buying him out would save is $2,5000,000.

I'm not sure how things work with a team retaining salary though, either way, if Lucic is bought out his contract is paid out over the next 8 years, not the next 4 years.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Lol yes. Trawnta needs more cap

Yes, as do many teams.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Lets say Oilers were able to get

2nd for Chiasson
2nd for Kassian
3rd for Talbot
3rd for Petrovic
4th for Brodziak
4th for Gravel

Would you/any team take 6 draft picks to take on Lucics contract with no retention?

More? Less?

At what point does stacking a draft in a teams favor and increasing the odds of drafting stars worth taking on a bad contract of that magnitude?

Please be kind/gentle to me. This is my first thread here. Your responses couls crush me.

Your valuations are super optimistic.
I feel pretty confident that you could trade all the listed players and all the returning picks wouldn't come close to enticing anyone to taking lucic.

 

[ALee10]

Lets say Oilers were able to get

2nd for Chiasson
2nd for Kassian
3rd for Talbot
3rd for Petrovic
4th for Brodziak
4th for Gravel

Would you/any team take 6 draft picks to take on Lucics contract with no retention?

More? Less?

At what point does stacking a draft in a teams favor and increasing the odds of drafting stars worth taking on a bad contract of that magnitude?

Please be kind/gentle to me. This is my first thread here. Your responses couls crush me.

This reminds me of the trade the Caps made to get out of Brooks Laich's contract. Lucic has a bigger cap hit and much more term left on his deal but it's reminiscent.

Laich (2 years left) Connor Carrick and a 2nd for Daniel Winnick and a 5th

 

[SensFactor]

Ottawa definately would but it would take a plethora of picks.

 

[bernmeister]

For the umpteenth time, no.

The $ is difficult, but it can be solved.
The problem is term, extensive duration.

Not 111% impossible, but highly unlikely to work around.

Odds improve once expansion etc is coming into play IF league again allows compliance buyouts. Then, it only costs you a lot of $. But you get a precious few of those, so expect the broker's fee to be large if you don't want to use your own compliance

As to #s, off top of my head, only
Ryan is close
and Seabrook is worse
again, b'c of term

good luck

MAYBE maybe a team like AZ can rework/ juggle enough cap to do it, but if I were them I would want SERIOUS, SERIOUS overpayment.

 

[StreetHawk]

Lol he wants out. Terrible team and organization

Both true, but the importantance to Lucic in maintaining his NMC even if he ageees to a trade is to ensure he is not sent to the ahl. He would then have to ride the buses to get paid like Redden did. He would only agree to a trade if the acquiring team honours his nmc.

You’ve seen players with trade protection get moved. And if you go to cap friendly you will see that even after being traded they still maintain trade protection because the acquiring team has agreed to honour it. Player likely tells the acquiring team that I will agree to the trade if you honor it otherwise I’m staying with my current team.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't think it works exactly like that. Lucic would be paid $625000 a year until 2027 if he was bought out. His cap hit for the final 4 years would be $625000 and before that one year over $3 million, one year over 4 million and two years over 5 million. The amount of money that the team buying him out would save is $2,5000,000.

I'm not sure how things work with a team retaining salary though, either way, if Lucic is bought out his contract is paid out over the next 8 years, not the next 4 years.

That's if you bought him out after this season. That scenario is if you bought him out prior to the Seattle expansion draft which wouldn't be for another couple years.

 

[WJCJ]

That's if you bought him out after this season. That scenario is if you bought him out prior to the Seattle expansion draft which wouldn't be for another couple years.

Ah, I see, that makes much more sense. Thanks.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Would you take Lucic if the Oilers offered their next 20 x 3rd round picks?

 

[Gordievsky]

This was debated in the Oil forum a few weeks back: specifically, what us Looch's "negative value"? Is it a 1st or 2nd round pick negative, or much more?

I argued that some desperate team with a dumb GM would take him, if not this year then next, if a 2nd round pick (a high one obviously) accompanied him but that argument didnt get a lot of love.

 

[The Great Weal]

Kassian for a 2nd? What the hell?

 

[thadd]

3rd or 4th for Chiasson
3rd for Kassian
Talbot is gone
4th or 5th for Petrovic
4th for Brodziak
4th or 5th for Gravel

I think that's reasonable, no?

So would any team take Lucic + 2 3rd rounders and 3 4th rounders for future considerations? (Let's say a 7th rounder if he scores 20 goals in a single season)

I'm guessing hell no unless there's a team desperate for picks and desperate to meet the cap floor, but Edmonton should also be desperate for picks.

 

[Canovin]

I think LA would take Lucic if he's packaged with Pulju

 

[zcaptain]

What about this...……….If Milan will wave his NMC for the Seattle Expansion Draft

Lucic (2 Million retained) + 2019 1st (unprotected) + 2020 2nd + 2021 2nd

for

Vancouver's 2021 1st (top 3 protected ) (Vancouver will be a playoff team by then, so it is a redundant clause)

Here is my reasoning.....if Lucic will wave his NMC at the expansion draft, we do not have to protect him, which is a major concern of mine. (We do not want him causing us to loose a good player at the draft)

But at 4 Million, for 2 years (before the draft) Vancouver can use him for the heavy lifting against bigger teams, as a 13th forward for those 2 years. If he is not claimed at the draft, he only has 2 years left on his contract, and we can either buy him out, or trade him with max cap retention to a team trying to get to the cap + a 2nd. It will be hard to move, no matter what.

If by some imaginary fluke he can play on a regular shift with ???? great, but don't count on it.

Now the flip of 1st's + 1 of the 2nds is what it takes to get Lucic out of there, and the 1st back, eases the Oiler fan base for giving up a unprotected 1st.

The 1st - 2nd is to even it out, and the 2nd - 2nd is that Vancouver will say that it is for when we move him, in 2 years...…..(the other team will want it)

This is a totally convoluted trade, but this is about the best Edmonton is ever going to see, from anyone...…...

It basically means they are getting rid of Lucic for 2 Million cap retention + 2 - 2nds

 

[PullHard]

I would love for Detroit to consider something like this, but I'm just one fan

 

[Divine]

The Sens

The owner isn't approving spending 6M for Lucic.

 

[John Bruins]

Both Lucic and Backes has NMC in their contracts. Lucic has 4 more years left on his contract at $6,000,000 per year, it ends on July 1, 2023. Backes has 2 more years left on his contract at $6,000,000, it ends July 1, 2021. I think it safe to say that Edmonton is stuck with Lucic till 2023 just like Boston is stuck with Backes...

Lucic 2019 buyout

2019-20	$3,000,000	$6,000,000	$625,000	$2,375,000	$3,625,000
2020-21	$1,000,000	$6,000,000	$625,000	$375,000	$5,625,000
2021-22	$2,500,000	$6,000,000	$625,000	$1,875,000	$4,125,000
2022-23	$1,000,000	$6,000,000	$625,000	$375,000	$5,625,000
2023-24	$0	$0	$625,000	-$625,000	$625,000
2024-25	$0	$0	$625,000	-$625,000	$625,000
2025-26	$0	$0	$625,000	-$625,000	$625,000
2026-27	$0	$0	$625,000	-$625,000	$625,000
TOTAL	$7,500,000	$24,000,000	$5,000,000	$2,500,000	$21,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[PelagicJoe]

I would love for Detroit to consider something like this, but I'm just one fan

Make that two fans. We all know Edmonton is one of the few teams that usually pick earlier than we do. As much as I can't stand Lucic as a player (he is this generation's Chelios as far as hating a player goes for me,) I would seriously take some of Edmonton's picks and bring him on board. We can send some scrub prospects the way to make it look like an actual trade as opposed to a sale, similar to the Gretzky trade per tradition.

 

[PullHard]

Make that two fans. We all know Edmonton is one of the few teams that usually pick earlier than we do. As much as I can't stand Lucic as a player (he is this generation's Chelios as far as hating a player goes for me,) I would seriously take some of Edmonton's picks and bring him on board. We can send some scrub prospects the way to make it look like an actual trade as opposed to a sale, similar to the Gretzky trade per tradition.

I think for the damage Lucic does to the cap I'd say the offer starts with Lucic + Edmonton 1st 2020 and then I'd still want a few more late 2nds/3rds/4ths

Gives Edmonton an offseason to reload and be competitive next year so the 1st is mid/ late

Detroit could even give something of value back rather than just future considerations, too, if the amount and quality of picks is significant enough coming from Edmonton