Worst Trade in the Doug Wilson Era

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I don’t understand why people just assume a player or goalie is going to have the same sort of career if they’re not traded when they’re stuck behind others.
Sure, I mean different opportunities generally lead to different outcomes. I think people are just frustrated when those outcomes aren't beneficial to us.
 

Quid Pro Clowe

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I absolutely love Nabby, but getting rid of Kipper was rough. TBF, though, we wasn't that good in teal, and really blossomed in Calgary.

I was also in the boat of keeping Toskala over Nabby, so what do I know about goalies lol
I was fine trading Kipper. He was given chance after chance after chance to be the starter in San Jose and he was consistently 3rd out of 3 goalies in terms of performance. People only regret the trade because of how his career went from there, but he simply never showed he was capable of doing what he did in Calgary here in San Jose.
 

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I was fine trading Kipper. He was given chance after chance after chance to be the starter in San Jose and he was consistently 3rd out of 3 goalies in terms of performance. People only regret the trade because of how his career went from there, but he simply never showed he was capable of doing what he did in Calgary here in San Jose.

Was he really given a chance to take the spot or is that just what people want to remember.

Looking over his game log it sure does not look that way.

And the season he was traded san jose did not even decide to test him for that season before making the decision.

After not playing all of the october games and half of the november games his 1st game that season he put up at 1 goal against .957sv% game.

In his 1st 10 games that season he put up .950 or better save % in 8 of 10 games.

It was a bad trade in every aspect. They traded a vezina winning goalie. Just because they did not want to give him a actual chance doesn't make it any better.
 

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Was he really given a chance to take the spot or is that just what people want to remember.

Looking over his game log it sure does not look that way.

And the season he was traded san jose did not even decide to test him for that season before making the decision.

After not playing all of the october games and half of the november games his 1st game that season he put up at 1 goal against .957sv% game.

In his 1st 10 games that season he put up .950 or better save % in 8 of 10 games.

It was a bad trade in every aspect. They traded a vezina winning goalie. Just because they did not want to give him a actual chance doesn't make it any better.
His shot was in 02-03 and he absolutely squandered it. They let Nabokov hold out expecting him to step up and he didn't.

The version San Jose traded was far from a Vezina. And if you want to use careers as a judge of trades, then it was rather fair given how Vlasic turned out.
 

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I think that was during his first season here in 09-10 when he potted 39 goals. It was crazy to see how much his skating ability declined in two seasons in SJ. Not sure if that was due to injuries or zero effort in the gym but he regressed immensely
The crash, imo.
 

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His shot was in 02-03 and he absolutely squandered it. They let Nabokov hold out expecting him to step up and he didn't.

The version San Jose traded was far from a Vezina. And if you want to use careers as a judge of trades, then it was rather fair given how Vlasic turned out.

He started 4 games in october. Thats not really getting a shot. And then they sat him down for 3 to 4 weeks and gave him 1 start and 1 relief duty. Then sat for another 4 weeks before getting another 2 games. And then he got 4 games in january 3 starts in a row, with 1 being a shutout and 1 being a 1 goal against .930+sv% loss. And then he was sat down again until february where 12th where he started 3 more games posting 2 games above .920. Then they sat him down again for another 2-3 weeks until march where he would play 6 games. With 2 of those games being over the .915% and 4 being over .900.

His longest stretch of games was 6 games. That is not given him the reigns and letting him work it out. His usage all season long was that of a backup goalie. Fans here can try to rewrite the history books all they want. But kipper was never given a chance to be a starter here.
 

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He started 4 games in october. Thats not really getting a shot. And then they sat him down for 3 to 4 weeks and gave him 1 start and 1 relief duty. Then sat for another 4 weeks before getting another 2 games. And then he got 4 games in january 3 starts in a row, with 1 being a shutout and 1 being a 1 goal against .930+sv% loss. And then he was sat down again until february where 12th where he started 3 more games posting 2 games above .920. Then they sat him down again for another 2-3 weeks until march where he would play 6 games. With 2 of those games being over the .915% and 4 being over .900.

His longest stretch of games was 6 games. That is not given him the reigns and letting him work it out. His usage all season long was that of a backup goalie. Fans here can try to rewrite the history books all they want. But kipper was never given a chance to be a starter here.
Yeah, him sucking in October made them cave into Nabby and rush him out there. He wasn't getting a ton of starts after that, especially when Toskala looked a lot better at the time.

Talk about rewriting history, you're trying to make a .879 sv% in over 20 games not sound so bad.
 
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Was he really given a chance to take the spot or is that just what people want to remember.

Looking over his game log it sure does not look that way.

And the season he was traded san jose did not even decide to test him for that season before making the decision.

After not playing all of the october games and half of the november games his 1st game that season he put up at 1 goal against .957sv% game.

In his 1st 10 games that season he put up .950 or better save % in 8 of 10 games.

It was a bad trade in every aspect. They traded a vezina winning goalie. Just because they did not want to give him a actual chance doesn't make it any better.
Yeah he was given the chance to steal the starting job while Nabby held out and he choked. He was awful.
 

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Yeah, him sucking in October made them cave into Nabby and rush him out there. He wasn't getting a ton of starts after that, especially when Toskala looked a lot better at the time.

Talk about rewriting history, you're trying to make a .879 sv% in over 20 games not sound so bad.

1 more game played stoping 15 of every 16 shots and he would of been at the same sv% as nabby was at.

As just the starting goalie that year he had a .895sv%. No not great but its litterally 2 saves away from being better then nabby.

The whole he got so badly outplayed that the sharks had no choice but to trade him is just fans wanting to feel good about a bad trade.
 

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1 more game played stoping 15 of every 16 shots and he would of been at the same sv% as nabby was at.

As just the starting goalie that year he had a .895sv%. No not great but its litterally 2 saves away from being better then nabby.

The whole he got so badly outplayed that the sharks had no choice but to trade him is just fans wanting to feel good about a bad trade.
Nabokov sucked that season, too. But with Sutter's job on the line, having just paid Nabby big money, and Toskala looking solid in his starts, Kipper was the odd man out.

He was traded because the team had other options that looked more promising. People acting like he would have been the same goalie here that he was in Calgary are simply wrong. The change of scenery was the best thing for him.
 

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Nabokov sucked that season, too. But with Sutter's job on the line, having just paid Nabby big money, and Toskala looking solid in his starts, Kipper was the odd man out.

He was traded because the team had other options that looked more promising. People acting like he would have been the same goalie here that he was in Calgary are simply wrong. The change of scenery was the best thing for him.

Oh yes the stupid change of scenery stuff just all of a sudden made him into a vezina goalie. Not that he had more skill then nabby and toskala combined which the sharks failed to notice and made an idiotic trade before even trying to see what they had in him that season that he was traded.
 

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Oh yes the stupid change of scenery stuff just all of a sudden made him into a vezina goalie. Not that he had more skill then nabby and toskala combined which the sharks failed to notice and made an idiotic trade before even trying to see what they had in him that season that he was traded.

It kind of did because he could leave behind that he failed in his opportunity to take the job in San Jose. He also altered how he played when he was in Calgary. Calgary allowed Kipper to use more of his athletic ability than Strelow did.
 

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It kind of did because he could leave behind that he failed in his opportunity to take the job in San Jose. He also altered how he played when he was in Calgary. Calgary allowed Kipper to use more of his athletic ability than Strelow did.


So it was the sharks idiot management more so then ever then. It was them not understanding the type of goalies they actually had in the system and then let go of the better goalie because they didn't know how to let goalies grow properly. Shocking we are nearly 20 years later and that horrible goalie handling still persists.
 

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Oh yes the stupid change of scenery stuff just all of a sudden made him into a vezina goalie. Not that he had more skill then nabby and toskala combined which the sharks failed to notice and made an idiotic trade before even trying to see what they had in him that season that he was traded.
You're just being hyperbolic now.

Nabokov had a fine career and arguably should have won the Vezina the year he finished 2nd. Nabokov had a career sv% of .911, while Kipper had a .912.

Then that 'dumb' management turned 2 of those goalies into picks that they used to get Vlasic and Couture.

And you accused me of trying to rewrite history.
 

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So it was the sharks idiot management more so then ever then. It was them not understanding the type of goalies they actually had in the system and then let go of the better goalie because they didn't know how to let goalies grow properly. Shocking we are nearly 20 years later and that horrible goalie handling still persists.

No it was merely poor timing. He was developed to being an NHL goalie and lost out when he got his shot. He moved on to Calgary and they added to his repertoire and took off.
 

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We differ on what it means by given a chance. 4 games is not being given a chance.
He also got the majority of work in camp and preseason that year. Back then I used to watch camp every day on lunch from work. It was a lot more than 4 games. He had his chance and he was bad thru-out. Toskala out played hm in the inter squad scrimmages and in the preseason but Kipper was the higher draft pick with the upside so they tried to let him play into the job. After a few games they decided they needed to win more than let Kipper learn on the job.
You're just being hyperbolic now.

Nabokov had a fine career and arguably should have won the Vezina the year he finished 2nd. Nabokov had a career sv% of .911, while Kipper had a .912.

Then that 'dumb' management turned 2 of those goalies into picks that they used to get Vlasic and Couture.

And you accused me of trying to rewrite history.
All true. Kipper had a better team in front one season and got to the finals. That's really the only difference. Nabby's post season against Calgary and then Dallas was frankly as good a playoff performance as I've seen from a goalie not named Roy, Brodeur, Thomas or Hasek. He just didn't have as good a team in front of him so it ended after 13 games. It always comes back to the simple fact. Nabby never lost a series when the team averaged more than 2 gpg of offense.
 

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Aside from the annoying Ehrhoff trade I'm surprised no one has mentioned one of DW's earliest stinkers that I HATED immediately and still hate...

"The San Jose Sharks announce a 3 way deal with the Sabres and Bruins - effectively they're getting Curtis Brown for the playoff push in exchange for prospect Brad Boyes, a centerpiece of the Owen Nolan deal with Toronto last year."

Not that Boyes was some world beater, but :skeptic: :shakehead
 
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Aside from the annoying Ehrhoff trade I'm surprised no one has mentioned one of DW's earliest stinkers that I HATED immediately and still hate...

"The San Jose Sharks announce a 3 way deal with the Sabres and Bruins - effectively they're getting Curtis Brown for the playoff push in exchange for prospect Brad Boyes, a centerpiece of the Owen Nolan deal with Toronto last year."

Not that Boyes was some world beater, but :skeptic: :shakehead

Yikes, good call. Would have been interesting to see how that ‘04 run would have gone if Nolan didn’t get traded the year before
 

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Yikes, good call. Would have been interesting to see how that ‘04 run would have gone if Nolan didn’t get traded the year before

No Nolan trade means no McCauley, who was a big part of that team (especially in the locker room).
 

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