Prospect Info: Worst Case Scenario Draft

Who would you take at #8?


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Tobias Kahun

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1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Byram
4. Turcotte
5. Dach
6. Zegras
7. Krebs

Who would you take? My pick would be between Boldy, Caufield, and Newhook.
Newhook is better than Krebs anyways so I wouldn’t call that worst case.
 

Llamamoto

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Newhook is better than Krebs anyways so I wouldn’t call that worst case.

I've been watching Newhook more and more and I'm really liking him. He's not as skilled nor has as good vision as Zegras but is a threat to shoot, and gets to the dirty areas better. I'd say his vision isn't as good as Krebs, but he's faster and more skilled. I'm going to keep watching him and make some rankings.
 

LTIR

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Best case but still realistic draft scenario:

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin(cant develop)
4. Cozens
5. Zegras (playmaker)
6. Caufield (not sure how he is without Hughes...Rattie/Kassian without McD?)
7. Krebs(meh)
At 8 we have Byram,Dach and Turcotte to pick from.
 

Canovin

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Lots of love for Cozens. Everytime I check him play, I say to myself, why not draft Leason with the 2nd round pick. Similar size, a bit less mobility and both have limited creativity. Could step into the NHL as soon as next season.
 

nuck

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Lots of love for Cozens. Everytime I check him play, I say to myself, why not draft Leason with the 2nd round pick. Similar size, a bit less mobility and both have limited creativity. Could step into the NHL as soon as next season.

The fail rate for +1 drafts is huge. I wouldn't consider Leason before R3. Last chance to show his stuff before the draft and he isn't even leading his team. A really good Junior but this is where he should be busting out.

Luv Cozens. His upside is huge.
 

Canovin

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The fail rate for +1 drafts is huge. I wouldn't consider Leason before R3. Last chance to show his stuff before the draft and he isn't even leading his team. A really good Junior but this is where he should be busting out.

Luv Cozens. His upside is huge.
2nd round for a guy who looks safe to make it to the NHL? His floor is a 4th liner and his upside is a 1st line complimentary player.
 

belair

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Best case but still realistic draft scenario:

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin(cant develop)
4. Cozens
5. Zegras (playmaker)
6. Caufield (not sure how he is without Hughes...Rattie/Kassian without McD?)
7. Krebs(meh)
At 8 we have Byram,Dach and Turcotte to pick from.
All three of those players will probably be gone by 5.
 

voxel

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Worst case has always been we trade down for more magic beans in this draft and draft busts in the later part of the first and early second. Not sure this draft is deep enough for dropping down to be worth it.
 

Raab

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Worst case scenario we trade thr 8th for an over the hill vet. Need to draft and develop. Not going to lie, Id trade down a maximum of 6 spots. I think between 8-14 all the prospects are pretty close in ability.
 

Digitalbooya

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He can score give me’s while playing with top 15 talent around him. He has a really accurate shot but it’s still one that lacks velocity and is going to be stopped at the NHL level.
So do Zegras/Boldy/Turcotte and everyone else on the U.S. team get knocked for playing with each other?

Does Draisaitl then get knocked for scoring gimmes off of McDavid?

Asking for consistency purposes.
 

Zaddy

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He can score give me’s while playing with top 15 talent around him. He has a really accurate shot but it’s still one that lacks velocity and is going to be stopped at the NHL level.

Same was said about DeBrincat, and Matthew Tkachuk. They turned out alright. Being able to play with talent is not a bad thing. And Caufield is going to score goals (and plenty of them) in the NHL, no doubt about it.

Actually, being able to play with talent is something I'm not sure if your boy Podkolzin is going to be able to do considering how much tunnel-vision he gets and how average his playmaking and vision is. That's a much bigger worry to me.
 
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ConnorMcMullet

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Same was said about DeBrincat, and Matthew Tkachuk. They turned out alright. Being able to play with talent is not a bad thing. And Caufield is going to score goals (and plenty of them) in the NHL, no doubt about it.
Yup. I was actually one of those doubters for Tkachuk especially, but I've learnt my lesson.

People say Caufield is a risky pick because of his size, I don't get it. He's one of the safest bets to reach his upside, which is incredibly high.
 

Zaddy

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Yup. I was actually one of those doubters for Tkachuk especially, but I've learnt my lesson.

People say Caufield is a risky pick because of his size, I don't get it. He's one of the safest bets to reach his upside, which is incredibly high.

Yeah I doubted both DeBrincat (moreso due to size and skating concerns than who he was playing with) and Tkachuk (always played with either Matthews and Roslovic or Dvorak and Marner). Definitely learned my lesson there.
 

Stud Muffin

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So do Zegras/Boldy/Turcotte and everyone else on the U.S. team get knocked for playing with each other?

Does Draisaitl then get knocked for scoring gimmes off of McDavid?

Asking for consistency purposes.
Yes they do get knocked for playing with elite talent, that’s why on many lists Dach,Cozens and Podkolzin are ahead when the Americans minus Caufield should be right with them.

Draisaitl still gets shit all the time for playing with McDavid no one outside of Edmonton calls him a top 10 forward because of the fact he plays with McDavid, right or not it happens.

Same was said about DeBrincat, and Matthew Tkachuk. They turned out alright. Being able to play with talent is not a bad thing. And Caufield is going to score goals (and plenty of them) in the NHL, no doubt about it.

Actually, being able to play with talent is something I'm not sure if your boy Podkolzin is going to be able to do considering how much tunnel-vision he gets and how average his playmaking and vision is. That's a much bigger worry to me.
Tkachuk was a playmaker so I don’t really get your comparison there.

There’s a difference between being able to play with talent, which isn’t a rare skill btw, and being zoomed by talent. You can’t tell me that Caufield scores 70 goals without Jack Hughes that would be insane.

My boy Podkolzin? Is also a normal sized human and shows the ability to drive play which Caufield flat out cant.
 

Zaddy

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Tkachuk was a playmaker so I don’t really get your comparison there.

There’s a difference between being able to play with talent, which isn’t a rare skill btw, and being zoomed by talent. You can’t tell me that Caufield scores 70 goals without Jack Hughes that would be insane.

My boy Podkolzin? Is also a normal sized human and shows the ability to drive play which Caufield flat out cant.

No he probably doesn't, but he'd still score a lot of goals. You could literally make the same argument about DeBrincat. "You can't tell me DeBrincat scores 50 goals without McDavid", yet DeBrincat just scored 41 goals in the NHL. Caufield will score goals in the NHL too.

Being able to play with talent isn't a rare skill? Well maybe not being able to play with talent, but being able to play with ELITE talent is. An Oilers fan if anyone should recognize this as very few players on this team have been able to keep up with either McDavid or Draisaitl, hence why they are played together since no one else on this team is on the same wavelength or thinks the game as well as they do.

Guys like DeBrincat and Tkachuk who many thought were products of their linemates has shown that those abilities transferred to the NHL, and I really don't see why they wouldn't for Caufield. It's not like he ONLY produced with Jack Hughes on his line. He produced with Boldy and whoever else too. IIRC he scored goals at a similar rate with the USNTDP even when Hughes was away at the World Juniors. So there goes your theory out the window.

As for Podkolzin: "drive the play" is such an overrated and even misunderstood term in my opinion. Podkolzin drives the play? To me someone who drives the play is someone who makes his teammates better whenever he is on the ice. Podkolzin doesn't do that. He takes the puck and tries to do it all himself without using his teammates at all. If I had to choose between that and a guy who knows how to get into a scoring position and finish plays, I'd easily take the latter. Not as flashy, but a hell of a lot more effective.

Also I'd be willing to bet that Caufield is going to score more goals (and points for that matter) than Podkolzin in the NHL.
 

McDrai

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Worst case scenario? Easy. Trade our first rounder for a defensive defenseman with "potential" (this applies to more than just one trade btw)
 

Stud Muffin

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No he probably doesn't, but he'd still score a lot of goals. You could literally make the same argument about DeBrincat. "You can't tell me DeBrincat scores 50 goals without McDavid", yet DeBrincat just scored 41 goals in the NHL. Caufield will score goals in the NHL too.

Being able to play with talent isn't a rare skill? Well maybe not being able to play with talent, but being able to play with ELITE talent is. An Oilers fan if anyone should recognize this as very few players on this team have been able to keep up with either McDavid or Draisaitl, hence why they are played together since no one else on this team is on the same wavelength or thinks the game as well as they do.

Guys like DeBrincat and Tkachuk who many thought were products of their linemates has shown that those abilities transferred to the NHL, and I really don't see why they wouldn't for Caufield. It's not like he ONLY produced with Jack Hughes on his line. He produced with Boldy and whoever else too. IIRC he scored goals at a similar rate with the USNTDP even when Hughes was away at the World Juniors. So there goes your theory out the window.

As for Podkolzin: "drive the play" is such an overrated and even misunderstood term in my opinion. Podkolzin drives the play? To me someone who drives the play is someone who makes his teammates better whenever he is on the ice. Podkolzin doesn't do that. He takes the puck and tries to do it all himself without using his teammates at all. If I had to choose between that and a guy who knows how to get into a scoring position and finish plays, I'd easily take the latter. Not as flashy, but a hell of a lot more effective.

Also I'd be willing to bet that Caufield is going to score more goals (and points for that matter) than Podkolzin in the NHL.
McDavid was injured for a lot of that season, plus that wasn’t even DeBrincat’s draft year, he went on and showed he could produce the next year with Strome.

Small sample size of games while Hughes was away at the WJC but he did put up 4 goals in 4 games. Which is really good but still had Zegras and Boldy there.

A Driver to me is a player that moves the play up ice creates scoring chances, commands the puck and is just an overall impact player everywhere on the ice.
 

PKSpecialist

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As for Podkolzin: "drive the play" is such an overrated and even misunderstood term in my opinion. Podkolzin drives the play? To me someone who drives the play is someone who makes his teammates better whenever he is on the ice. Podkolzin doesn't do that. He takes the puck and tries to do it all himself without using his teammates at all. If I had to choose between that and a guy who knows how to get into a scoring position and finish plays, I'd easily take the latter. Not as flashy, but a hell of a lot more effective.

Also I'd be willing to bet that Caufield is going to score more goals (and points for that matter) than Podkolzin in the NHL.

Sorry Zaddy, but you just keep going after Podkolzin here....the hate is getting thick. When Podkolzin is on the ice the play goes through him to the net. He's not afraid to take it there, and is actually as elite as they come at that skill. Watch some of the highlight reels of Podkolzin...several highlights of him passing to teammates(he especially likes to go cross seam on the powerplay). His playmaking is underrated because he is so dominant with the puck on his stick, and his powerful skating along with elite ability to drive the puck to the net without hesitation often is the best play when you can do it. He causes defenses to back off, and he has as good a shot as anyone in the draft outside of Kaliyev, so when the defense backs off he can take advantage of the open space to get that lethal shot off. Because he can handle the puck and dominate physically with it on his stick he creates space and opportunity for his linemates. On top of it all, he never gets outworked. He competes at both ends of the ice. He's the guy you want on the ice whether up down or tied with little time left on the clock.

Any team that passes on this guy because of their own lack of ability to develop, train, assimilate a player into their culture is going to look awfully foolish 10 years from now.
 

LTIR

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Yup. I was actually one of those doubters for Tkachuk especially, but I've learnt my lesson.

People say Caufield is a risky pick because of his size, I don't get it. He's one of the safest bets to reach his upside, which is incredibly high.
Or he could be Ty Rattie 2.0
There just isn't a large enough sample size of his play away from Hughes. Is he just passing the puck to Jack right away and getting open for a pass? Ie
Kassian/Maroon/Rattie with McDavid.
Rattie was a scoring machine in juniors and look at him now.
 

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