Value of: Wolverine er....Shea Weber at 50% to NSH

[BigFatCat999]

His career is over... er.....5-6 weeks... er...a week. Greg Wyshynski joked it was like Wolverine but when I was working as an athletic trainer, I had the same thing happen to an athlete. She heard a loud snap, felt like she broke a bone, was scar tissue breaking up near a nerve. Painful.

ANYWAY.

I'll be honest with you. I think Shea Weber would be the best fit for some of the minor needs that the Preds have. What would the cost be of Weber at 50%?

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[Sota Popinski]

Wouldn't he be insanely valuable to Nashville because of the cap recapture penalties if he retires early?

 

[FameFlame069]

They would obviously need to pay premiums to get him back, especially at 50%

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Weber is still a first pairing defenseman and you're asking them to retain 50%. Be prepared to send one of your top 3 players.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Wouldn't he be insanely valuable to Nashville because of the cap recapture penalties if he retires early?

OR, he retires, goes on LTIR, Habs get a ton of LTIR cap space, Weber gets paid. Do NOTHING for 3 years and get paid 3 million...

 

[A Loyal Dog]

OR, he retires, goes on LTIR, Habs get a ton of LTIR cap space, Weber gets paid. Do NOTHING for 3 years and get paid 3 million...

Why would Montreal want to pay him? Why would Montreal help Nashville out?

 

[Jumptheshark]

Why would Montreal want to pay him? Why would Montreal help Nashville out?

My reaction as well

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

The answer can only be that Montreal has to hold onto him... there's no way we are paying what it would take to re-acquire him. Forget about it. He's too good AND too much of an injury risk at the same time. We don't have enough spare assets to pay the required price and then survive the fallout if it turns out he's not able to stay healthy. Our cap has tightened up too much, and our cupboards are still too bare. As much as we might be tempted by sentimentality, we need to steer clear of this risk.

 

[Stealth JD]

Cost would cripple Nashville...at least it should, considering they'd avoid the cap-recapture penalty and be adding a top-pairing D-man (with term). Fabbro, Tomasino, Tolvanen & 1st

 

[Yoshidas Island]

The answer can only be that Montreal has to hold onto him... there's no way we are paying what it would take to re-acquire him. Forget about it. He's too good AND too much of an injury risk at the same time. We don't have enough spare assets to pay the required price and then survive the fallout if it turns out he's not able to stay healthy. Our cap has tightened up too much, and our cupboards are still too bare. As much as we might be tempted by sentimentality, we need to steer clear of this risk.

Pretty much sums up any trade involving Weber

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Cost would cripple Nashville...at least it should, considering they'd avoid the cap-recapture penalty and be adding a top-pairing D-man (with term). Fabbro, Tomasino, Tolvanen & 1st

See BFC? I wouldn't give up any one of those 4 assets, let alone that kind of package. But it's not that I'd blame the Habs for asking. We just have to let Shea go.

 

[Tatar Shots]

I doubt Nashville is worried about cap recapture in regards to Weber. I can’t imagine the league would try to pin it on them when everyone else has skirted recapture and Nashville were not even the ones to sign him to the contract. It was the league’s own stupid rules that allowed Philly to sign Weber to that poison pill contract

 

[LeonDraisaitl]

I doubt Nashville is worried about cap recapture in regards to Weber. I can’t imagine the league would try to pin it on them when everyone else has skirted recapture and Nashville were not even the ones to sign him to the contract. It was the league’s own stupid rules that allowed Philly to sign Weber to that poison pill contract

Isn’t the league holding Vancouver accountable inregards to Lou?

 

[Qwijibo]

I doubt Nashville is worried about cap recapture in regards to Weber. I can’t imagine the league would try to pin it on them when everyone else has skirted recapture and Nashville were not even the ones to sign him to the contract. It was the league’s own stupid rules that allowed Philly to sign Weber to that poison pill contract

Really? Everyone else has skirted recapture? Do Florida, Vancouver, L.A. And NJ know that?

 

[triggrman]

why would the recapture go away if he's traded to Nashville? You can't force a player onto LTIR, and Weber isn't the type to retire if he can still play, besides, he's not giving up money just to spite Nashville.

If Weber can play, he will, or he'll go on LTIR because he can no longer play.

But all of this is on Weber and his doctors, not Montreal or Nashville.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Why would Montreal want to pay him? Why would Montreal help Nashville out?

That is petty, unbusiness like, and at that point 'tit for tat' occurs. You may not believe it but GMs follow rules, unwritten ones. If I'm a GM for Nashville and Montreal does that I'm complaining to the commish. Saying 'We didn't form the contract! We had our hands tied by Philly! It was an offer sheet!' It would be similar to a 'constitutional crisis' with the CBA. If complaining to the NHL central office does not work and the Preds have to chuck salary, I'm sending as much as I can... ALL to Atlantic rivals.

"Say! Boston! You need a Defenseman? Tampa Bay! I have a forward that would be perfect for hurting Montreal, I mean, filling out your lineup.' and so on. and so on.

[MOD]

You see, the above actions would cost the NHL in valuation, money one team falls, the league falls. ALL teams would lose valuation. The teams are in league with each other. Nashville sucks for a couple of years till FA money is spent and draft picks move up the system. The Atlantic become hell for the Habs and they never will get a sniff of the playoffs with Quebec's tax structure and every other team in the Atlantic strong. Nashville is hurt for 3 years maybe 5, Montreal, a half decade or more? It would be Mutually Assured Destruction in hockey. Who else is hurt? The metro. So many Atlantic clubs hogging the WC spots.

That's petty and Bettman has been weeding that out for his entire tenure. The NHL boys club used to be child-like. Fist fights in board rooms, gambling, other child like crap. For the Habs, to do that would be a loss of it's carefully crafted image of class. EVERY GM learns they can't do business with Montreal. EVERY player learns that the Habs will not fulfill their contracts, their promises.

The only winners would be lawyers. But that is me rambling using my college classes in business law, sports law, sports medicine, ETC.

Now, back to the question at hand. What is the value of Shea Weber at 50%?

 

[GM Armchair]

Now, back to the question at hand. What is the value of Shea Weber at 50%?

Less than what you think.

 

[Legend123]

He should not risk aggravating it by playing it meaningless games

 

[Soundgarden]

Cost would cripple Nashville...at least it should, considering they'd avoid the cap-recapture penalty and be adding a top-pairing D-man (with term). Fabbro, Tomasino, Tolvanen & 1st

Lol, no that's dog ****. I would trade a conditional 7th round pick or future considerations six years from now, if Montreal wants anything more they can take a hike.

 

[Big Empty]

Lol, no that's dog ****. I would trade a conditional 7th round pick or future considerations six years from now, if Montreal wants anything more they can take a hike.

Weber is still really good and is not slowing down for at least 3-4 years. A conditional 7th rounder? What?

 

[Djp]

Wouldn't he be insanely valuable to Nashville because of the cap recapture penalties if he retires early?

Reaquiring doesn’t prevent recapture penalty already built up if he retires before the end of the contract.

 

[Soundgarden]

Weber is still really good and is not slowing down for at least 3-4 years. A conditional 7th rounder? What?

I said in six years.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

I doubt Nashville is worried about cap recapture in regards to Weber. I can’t imagine the league would try to pin it on them when everyone else has skirted recapture and Nashville were not even the ones to sign him to the contract. It was the league’s own stupid rules that allowed Philly to sign Weber to that poison pill contract

Canucks just got hit with it for Luongo lol

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Reaquiring doesn’t prevent recapture penalty already built up if he retires before the end of the contract.

Nashville has reason to convince him to ltir, Montreal doesn't

 

[Kuznetsnow]

That is petty, unbusiness like, and at that point 'tit for tat' occurs. You may not believe it but GMs follow rules, unwritten ones. If I'm a GM for Nashville and Montreal does that I'm complaining to the commish. Saying 'We didn't form the contract! We had our hands tied by Philly! It was an offer sheet!' It would be similar to a 'constitutional crisis' with the CBA. If complaining to the NHL central office does not work and the Preds have to chuck salary, I'm sending as much as I can... ALL to Atlantic rivals.

"Say! Boston! You need a Defenseman? Tampa Bay! I have a forward that would be perfect for hurting Montreal, I mean, filling out your lineup.' and so on. and so on.

Fill the Nashville roster with goons for the first Habs game with money on the board for ending Habs careers.

You see, the above actions would cost the NHL in valuation, money one team falls, the league falls. ALL teams would lose valuation. The teams are in league with each other. Nashville sucks for a couple of years till FA money is spent and draft picks move up the system. The Atlantic become hell for the Habs and they never will get a sniff of the playoffs with Quebec's tax structure and every other team in the Atlantic strong. Nashville is hurt for 3 years maybe 5, Montreal, a half decade or more? It would be Mutually Assured Destruction in hockey. Who else is hurt? The metro. So many Atlantic clubs hogging the WC spots.

That's petty and Bettman has been weeding that out for his entire tenure. The NHL boys club used to be child-like. Fist fights in board rooms, gambling, other child like crap. For the Habs, to do that would be a loss of it's carefully crafted image of class. EVERY GM learns they can't do business with Montreal. EVERY player learns that the Habs will not fulfill their contracts, their promises.

The only winners would be lawyers. But that is me rambling using my college classes in business law, sports law, sports medicine, ETC.

Now, back to the question at hand. What is the value of Shea Weber at 50%?

Lol yes Montreal should be scared shitless of David Poile losing his mind and blowing up his team to strengthen the Habs division rivals while whining to the commissioner that he's being forced to accept the consequences for his actions just like New Jersey with Kovalchuk, Vancouver with Luongo and LA with Richards and Kovalchuk.

By all means squander all the good will Nashville got after the league had to babysit it for 10 years, it will be super funny to the rest of us