Speculation: With Marner @ 10.89 whats your guesses on the rest of the big RFA's?

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mydnyte

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probably cause it screws over everyone else in the league.
it started long before the Leafs i.e. when the Oilers gave contracts to RNH, Eberle and Hall right off their rookie deals expecting all 3 to explode and be a great deal later in the contracts (worked for Hall)
 

MadLuke

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I don't know what you mean by this. Of course it was something special. He had the 4th most PP TOI/GP among forwards, behind just Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, and Crosby (who he payed on the PP with). That is a huge advantage in terms of production.

Special for an nhl forward, not special for someone in the top 10 in point by games, is Ev point ranking (#8) is almost the same than is overall point (#6) ranking.

So why post multiple stats that ignore context and are useless for evaluating quality of player?

Goal scored and point scored are not useless stats for the value of a player, arguably useless in how good at playing hockey when they do play, but for player value how much a player achieve to play and produce isn't useless.

It is a huge reason why he ranked highly in PPG. PP time has a significant effect on production.

Everyone in the top 20 had a lot of power play time, Matthews is a very special case it is rare for an elite offensive forward to not play a lot of power play.

Top power play time on ice, forward with at least 80 games played during that time frame

kovalchuck: 6:11
Ovechkin: 5:36
Crosby: 5:35
Nylander: 523
Malkin: 5:23
Semin: 5:10
Richards: 5:02
Staal: 5.01
Bergeron: 4:59
Hossa: 4:57
Jagr: 4:57
Thornton: 4:56

Malkin was 11th in ES P/GP over his time frame. Matthews was 10th.

And does that difference make up for Matthews overall smaller production to become a better player than one of the best powerplay player of is era ?
 

Dekes For Days

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Special for an nhl forward, not special for someone in the top 10 in point by games, is Ev point ranking (#8) is almost the same than is overall point (#6) ranking.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Malkin had significantly more than his peers. Matthews had significantly less than his peers. This is a huge advantage, even aside from the massive difference between eras.

Matthews is also one of the best ES scorers, but his lack of PP time is what drops his overall point ranking.

Goal scored and point scored are not useless stats for the value of a player
They are when you ignore valuable context.

Everyone in the top 20 had a lot of power play time
Yeah... and that's why they're in the top-20...

Matthews is a very special case it is rare for an elite offensive forward to not play a lot of power play.
Yes, it is. Which is why he's currently heavily undervalued.
 

LT

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We must've missed this one. They're all signed. Closed.
 
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