Series Discussion: Winnipeg Jets vs Calgary Flames

[raideralex99]

3% margin of error 100% of the time.

Winning first round
Calgary 59%
Winnipeg 41%
Where is the 3% error?

 

[10Ducky10]

Winning first round
Calgary 59%
Winnipeg 41%
Where is the 3% error?

The far right column...

 

[10Ducky10]

Not really.
The Premier League confirm today that they are starting June 17th and the coronavirus was worst in the UK/Europe.

Worse than NYC?
Serious question.

 

[ps241]

Some thoughts about the upcoming series:

Our D is NOT as bad as everyone whines about. We started with an absolute cluster-f, added injuries to that and relied on waiver wire pickups to survive, which we did. Since then Pionk blossomed, we got Demelo, and we got healthy. Our D is not going to make any 'best' lists, but it is a well balanced, lunch box D. It is good enough to take us far with our weapons up front, as long as two things happen:

• They stay healthy
• Hellebuyck continues where he left off.

The problem with hockey is the analytics are still really unproven and there is still a LONG way to go to prove out certain stats and come up with a series of universally accepted metrics that paint an accurate story about teams.

Add to that the huge impact one player can have on a team's success (goaltender) and it futher muddies the water. Teams with excellent, consistent goaltending can adapt their strategy to use that to their advantage, just as teams with average goaltending need to address it through tactics to minimize high danger chances (don't get me started on how the stats community identify those)

The one thing I am concerned about is how we address Tkachuk. He's a dirty POS and you know he's going to target Pionk and Morrissey. Without Buff, we need someone who is going to step up and limit his effectiveness. Even though some like to think that toughness and physicality mean nothing in the NHL - they still account for a lot. They drive a lot of psychological factors in the game that there are no metrics for - factors that have a very large impact on the game especially in a series between 2 teams.

Bottom line is, this post season is going to have a lot of shocks in it. I think a healthy Jets squad has the best chance as any to go all the way this year.

The nice thing about Hockey is if they start targeting our players then we have guys like Lowry that can give it back to their stars too. Walt junior is going to be a pain in the ass but on balance Calgary is not an abrasiveness team in fact their fans complain they are the opposite and they wilted last year when facing Colorado in the playoffs. I know Luc was brought in for just that reason. Either way I think we will be fine in that category IMO.

 

[ps241]

The team really is going to miss Buff in the playoffs. That guy is built for the postseason.

I 100% agree he was so much fun to watch in the playoffs when he was beasting.

 

[Neuf]

Unraveling the status of trades, picks, contracts, seasons, playoff formats, integrity of the game, logistics, etc. is a complete nightmare.

But if I'm watching hockey, I will care very little about those.

 

[Neuf]

Also, when I heard the plan, I quickly google "NHL playoff news" so I could see for myself. The first result in regular and under news was "NHL Playoff Plan: How is Toronto's First Round Pick Affected?"

So if I wasn't sure hockey was back at first, I was easily reassured.

 

[10Ducky10]

I 100% agree he was so much fun to watch in the playoffs when he was beasting.

If the Jets had won the cup two years ago, Scheif probably would have won the Conn Smythe but my vote would have been Buff.
Totally dominated in the first two series.
Loved watching him play against Minny and that was probably my favorite time of watching Buff play. They had no idea what to do with him whatsoever.

 

[Gurilla]

Sitting on a patio on a beautiful sunny day watching playoff hockey...

 

[Gm0ney]

If Hellebuyck is still on Vezina form, then I think the Jets can get past the Flames.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Canada USA border is closed for regular travel. Hockey players returning to work easily fall within the exemption laid out by the government of Canada.


Essential (non-discretionary) travel for a temporary worker
Your travel is essential (non-discretionary) if you’re in either of these situations:
You have a valid work permit and normally live in Canada. This applies even if you’ve been laid off.
You’re a worker who
has a letter of introduction for a work permit (open or employer-specific), and
has a valid job offer, and
can work once you’ve completed your 14-day quarantine in Canada (unless you’re exempt)

Foreign national players would have valid work permits and normally live in Canada while performing their job.

They made rules for TFW's so that crops could be planted. Not so that hockey could be played. Entertainment is a long way short of being an essential business. I'm not at all sure how the rules would be applied.

I think the best way for the league to deal with these issues is to negotiate an arrangement with a lot of guarantees about self isolation in their home countries before they come back and behaviours and precautions once they get back.

 

[ps241]

They made rules for TFW's so that crops could be planted. Not so that hockey could be played. Entertainment is a long way short of being an essential business. I'm not at all sure how the rules would be applied.

I think the best way for the league to deal with these issues is to negotiate an arrangement with a lot of guarantees about self isolation in their home countries before they come back and behaviours and precautions once they get back.

My guess is the NHL will not take the risk of using a Canadian City as a Hub. Look for a states with a Governor who will be lax on COVID regulations (cough cough Dallas).

 

[ps241]

If Hellebuyck is still on Vezina form, then I think the Jets can get past the Flames.

If he maintains that form we will be a tough out.

 

[ryerockarola]

My guess is the NHL will not take the risk of using a Canadian City as a Hub. Look for a states with a Governor who will be lax on COVID regulations (cough cough Dallas).

I think both hub cities will be in the States.

 

[raideralex99]

Worse than NYC?
Serious question.

Seriously the NHL is not playing in NYC. A wall needs to be built around that place like the movie "Escape From New York". Corruption at its finest turns a any place into a ****hole.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Really? I have to wonder if those guys even watch hockey then. That's laughable.

Look at Flames odds. Ridiculous.

 

[raideralex99]

Look at Flames odds. Ridiculous.

That is strange ... the sports talk shows I listened too all picked the Jets.
The first round always has surprises and it will be interesting how the players will play ... if they are worried about covid-19 or not. The ones that are worried will be probably be going home first.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Helly is the key for this series. If he comes back and plays at the level he was. We win this series maybe in 3 games

Still only if Jets scorers outscore the Flames, right. Helle can shutdown but Jets till have to score too. Not a given with the playoff history.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Is he even eligible to play?

Why not. His college season is ended and he has signed a pro (NHL) contract, started May 2020. Can he handle the speed, skill of NHL thrown in a mini-playoff series after a shutdown of 3months, as his 1st intro to the top league.
Never know for sure until it is tried, proven.

 

[GumbyCan2]

I thought Slamberg isn't eligible to play?

Is Ville the Kid eligible to play?

I don 't see why not? If both are signed to an NHL contract dated before the restart date, and not interfering with any other current league contract.

 

[surixon]

Why not. His college season is ended and he has signed a pro (NHL) contract, started May 2020. Can he handle the speed, skill of NHL thrown in a mini-playoff series after a shutdown of 3months, as his 1st intro to the top league.
Never know for sure until it is tried, proven.

There was a lot of rumblings that the NHL was indicating that all contracts signed during the stoppage would have a July 1st date or not be eligible if the season came back.

That is why I'm not sure if Samberg can play or not.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Why not. His college season is ended and he has signed a pro (NHL) contract, started May 2020. Can he handle the speed, skill of NHL thrown in a mini-playoff series after a shutdown of 3months, as his 1st intro to the top league.
Never know for sure until it is tried, proven.

He’s not eligible. The contract does not start until the next season begins.

“Samberg's three-year deal will begin next season.”

Jets sign defenceman Dylan Samberg to a three-year, entry-level contract

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Yes I don't think he is eligible after looking at his contract on capfriendly

 

[mondo3]

Even if he was eligible, I don't think its wise to throw in a rookie player who hasn't even practiced with he Jets

 

[Oilpeg]

Even if he was eligible, I don't think its wise to throw in a rookie player who hasn't even practiced with he Jets

Do you think he won't take part in training camp and practice with the team before the playins start?

He's not eligible, so it doesn't matter, but of course he'd take part in the mini training camp.