LeBrun: Winnipeg and Carolina interested in Manson, ask is 1st + top prospect

[The Moose is Loose]

Not a chance I'd want my team moving a 1st for Manson, let alone a 1st+

I like his play style and he's a solid player, but does a team like Carolina really believe they would be contenders with Manson? (and not contender without him?)

 

[mydnyte]

the ask is fair, if it was 5 years ago!

 

[spockBokk]

Not a chance I'd want my team moving a 1st for Manson, let alone a 1st+

I like his play style and he's a solid player, but does a team like Carolina really believe they would be contenders with Manson? (and not contender without him?)

I think the question about whether or not the Canes are a cup contender has been answered already. Without Manson, they’ve been a top 5 team basically all season. With him, they’d be better on their 3rd pair for sure, and they’d probably have a bit of insurance if Hamilton walks, depending on what Seattle does.

Now to the ask. It’s exorbitant.

I don’t see the Canes paying more for Manson than they did for Skjei, who had 4 more years of term. I don’t like the idea of giving up a 1st for him, but that may be what it takes if they really want him. One thing to keep in mind is that Johnston or Seravalli (can’t remember which) mentioned yesterday that while the Canes were in the market for an RD with term, their conversations with teams so far about potential trades have been short. If you put things together, I think you could reasonably assume that CAR inquired about Manson, a price was quoted and CAR said, no thanks.

perhaps they revisit things closer to the deadline

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I think the question about whether or not the Canes are a cup contender has been answered already. Without Manson, they’ve been a top 5 team basically all season. With him, they’d be better on their 3rd pair for sure, and they’d probably have a bit of insurance if Hamilton walks, depending on what Seattle does.

Now to the ask. It’s exorbitant.

I don’t see the Canes paying more for Manson than they did for Skjei, who had 4 more years of term. I don’t like the idea of giving up a 1st for him, but that may be what it takes if they really want him. One thing to keep in mind is that Johnston or Seravalli (can’t remember which) mentioned yesterday that while the Canes were in the market for an RD with term, their conversations with teams so far about potential trades have been short. If you put things together, I think you could reasonably assume that CAR inquired about Manson, a price was quoted and CAR said, no thanks.

perhaps they revisit things closer to the deadline

I agree with everything you said

Just seems like an unneeded expenditure when they've already been a top 5 team with a solid defensive core

 

[spockBokk]

I agree with everything you said

Just seems like an unneeded expenditure when they've already been a top 5 team with a solid defensive core

Well, it wouldn’t be a regular NHL season without the Canes acquiring a top 4 D they don’t really need.

Personally, I think this is the year they need to get over their aversion to rentals. Montour would be my preferred target or maybe a Demers, with retention. Can never have enough depth on D.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Well, it wouldn’t be a regular NHL season without the Canes acquiring a top 4 D they don’t really need.

Personally, I think this is the year they need to get over their aversion to rentals. Montour would be my preferred target or maybe a Demers, with retention. Can never have enough depth on D.

Yeah that'd be a good add, definitely cheaper as well

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Well, it wouldn’t be a regular NHL season without the Canes acquiring a top 4 D they don’t really need.

Personally, I think this is the year they need to get over their aversion to rentals. Montour would be my preferred target or maybe a Demers, with retention. Can never have enough depth on D.

I kinda expected the canes on the Rakell wagon... I know they have offensive weapons.... but 1 more wouldn’t hurt

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

That's an overpayment and then you have to protect him or risk losing him in the expansion draft making him more of a rental.....

 

[Whileee]

Winnipeg just called up Vesalainen from the Moose.

Perhaps they are looking to show case him this weekend. I would wager if that is the case they might be willing to do Ves plus a first.

Vesalainen isn't likely to play a game. He's been called up to the taxi squad because Wheeler is injured. Harkins is replacing Wheeler in the line-up.

 

[MardyBum]

Vesalainen isn't likely to play a game. He's been called up to the taxi squad because Wheeler is injured. Harkins is replacing Wheeler in the line-up.

Who??

 

[DaveG]

I kinda expected the canes on the Rakell wagon... I know they have offensive weapons.... but 1 more wouldn’t hurt

I think we circled in on that one at one point. No idea on what the holdup was.

FWIW Manson does make a lot of sense for Carolina, but IMO it actually makes more sense after the ED. Protect Bean, Slavin, and Pesce, if Seattle grabs Dougie as a UFA circle back on talks with Anaheim regarding Manson. If Francis takes say Fleury but you're unable to come to terms with Hamilton and he's going to test UFA, make the trade with Anaheim. The only reason to do it now is if you're trying to keep someone else from grabbing him and you have a deal in place with Seattle already to solve the salary issue on your back end at the ED anyway.

 

[grapes55]

Bean IMO will be protected. The protection list, by almost all accounts, will probably be Slavin, Pesce, and Bean. I wouldn't be surprised if Fleury goes the other way in a potential Manson deal. Something like Geekie + Fleury + 2021 3rd IMO sounds about right for Manson. Either that or simply Fleury + 2021 1st. I see the Canes protection list as being pretty solidified at this point: Aho, Svechnikov, Teravainen, Trocheck, Niederreiter, Staal, Fast, Slavin, Pesce, Bean, Nedeljkovic. That leaves Skjei, Fleury, Foegele, Gardiner, Geekie, and Lorentz as the exposed group. Skjei, at least IMO, is probably the most appealing to Seattle, though a case could be made for either Fleury or Foegele. A Geekie/Fleury/Manson swap would essentially make Seattle's decision for them, however. Seattle would take either Manson or Skjei (probably the former to keep them cap-flexible) and leave the other guy alone to keep the Canes depth strong.

Thanks for the insight!!

The Canes always seem to have something up their sleeve so hopefully they make an interesting trade by the deadline lol

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I think we circled in on that one at one point. No idea on what the holdup was.

FWIW Manson does make a lot of sense for Carolina, but IMO it actually makes more sense after the ED. Protect Bean, Slavin, and Pesce, if Seattle grabs Dougie as a UFA circle back on talks with Anaheim regarding Manson. If Francis takes say Fleury but you're unable to come to terms with Hamilton and he's going to test UFA, make the trade with Anaheim. The only reason to do it now is if you're trying to keep someone else from grabbing him and you have a deal in place with Seattle already to solve the salary issue on your back end at the ED anyway.

Manson is arguably needed now, though, to stabilize the 3rd pairing and give the coaches flexibility to move Hamilton out of the Top 4 in important defensive situations.

The Canes are going to lose something of value to Seattle no matter what. I don't think it's a pressing consideration in what they do. If Manson is acquired and taken by the Kraken, that means what they would have lost in the absence of acquiring him stays. The equation potentially is a 1st + prospect for 1 playoff run of Manson (has as much value as a rental Savard) + say Skjei. As long as the kicker is not a true "top prospect" at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I really have never been impressed with him. He brings some grit and he’s good defensively, but come on with that ask

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I know they aren’t mentioned by Friedman but I would entertain a 1st rounder + for Manson as an Avalanche fan if Anaheim was also willing to take back Compher’s salary.

 

[McDonald19]

Not a chance I'd want my team moving a 1st for Manson, let alone a 1st+

You wouldn’t trade a late 1st round pick in a weak draft for a physical top 4 RHD?

 

[McDonald19]

People in here acting like big physical right handed D that can skate and move the puck well are easy to find.

 

[kanucks25]

A 1st and a top prospect is the "opening price" for Anaheim I imagine, not what they're actually willing to settle on.

A late 1st + B prospect seems okay.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

You wouldn’t trade a late 1st round pick in a weak draft for a physical top 4 RHD?

If I was picking between Ekholm and Manson it'd definitely would be Ekholm

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

People in here acting like big physical right handed D that can skate and move the puck well are easy to find.

They're not lol. Carolina knows this well. You can see why they're always on the hunt for defensemen.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Manson's play doesn't warrant that kind of return any more.

 

[Guffman]

That's an overpayment and then you have to protect him or risk losing him in the expansion draft making him more of a rental.....

Assuming the prospect is not a true “top prospect”, but rather a good one, I would be happy if the Jets did that trade and not protect him for the expansion draft.

- we get a much needed rental
- we would likely lose one of DeMelo and Stanley anyways; if we get Manson, we get to keep two of the three, which I am good with

 

[Dread Clawz]

People in here acting like big physical right handed D that can skate and move the puck well are easy to find.

Yeah, I think the ask is fine from Anaheim. However I can understand that teams are wary of giving that much up because of the expansion draft. Most contenders already have 3D they want to protect. In Carolina's case though, I think they should be going after a winger not a D. Their D is already amazing.

 

[Roboturner913]

The Canes D certainly is regular season amazing but I'm not sure it's playoffs amazing. We don't have a single guy back there I look at and say "Yeah, he'll go clear the crease." Edmundson was that guy last year and they got a lot of mileage out of it, then they let him walk.

Pesce is the closest thing to a "tough guy" back there, and even he is way more finesse than his reputation. Physical in his own way, like Slavin, but not playoff nasty.

 

[Coastal Kev]

They’ll have better luck asking for Pam Anderson in 1992 via a time warp than getting a 1st and a top prospect.....yokes