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NHL CBA. Only applying to European countries with trade agreements.Source?
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NHL CBA. Only applying to European countries with trade agreements.Source?
NHL CBA. Only applying to European countries with trade agreements.
Maciej Szwoch - Goaltending Consultant
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Front office should try everything to get him to come over now. The same goes for Rybar and van Pottelberghe. The organization is in need of young goalies right now.
Had forgotten all about Van Pottelberghe but in looking at Cap Friendly he is listed as Reserved and not Inactive. I assumed that since he was drafted in 2015 that Detroit no longer retained his rights.
Don't undestarnd why van Pottelberghe's signing deadline would be indefinite like for Russian drafted players.
He is a Swiss player and drafted from Swedish league he played on draft year.
I think Capfriendly is just wrong on that case, like they were about Svechnikov's waiver eligibility at last season.
Front office should try everything to get him to come over now. The same goes for Rybar and van Pottelberghe. The organization is in need of young goalies right now.
Front office should try everything to get him to come over now. The same goes for Rybar and van Pottelberghe. The organization is in need of young goalies right now.
He is doing alright in Finland. Nothing amazing, just decent. Will turn 24 in March.
Low ceiling player, won't be surprised if he comes over for the 2021-2022 season and be our AHL starter. I don't see any potential for him to be our starter or backup.
That's a name that intrigues me. I've heard good things about Joren Van Pottelberghe. How well does his game translate over? What is his overall potential?
I'm literally scratching my head over Rybar. I thought he was good enough, honestly, to compete for the back-up role for the Red Wings. He didn't even get a chance to earn the starting role in GR really... Idk...
Idk. Idk. Idk. I liked Rybar. I've watched him multiple times... Idk, people sometimes just fall in love with players and see more than there is I guess. I'm literally clueless as to why he wasn't really given a good chance.
Don't undestarnd why van Pottelberghe's signing deadline would be indefinite like for Russian drafted players.
He is a Swiss player and drafted from Swedish league he played on draft year.
I think Capfriendly is just wrong on that case, like they were about Svechnikov's waiver eligibility at last season.
IIRC, Switzerland had a period where until recently (April this year I think) they didn't have an IIHF transfer agreement between them and the NHL, similar to how the KHL/Russia doesn't.
Elite Prospects also lists JVP as still under Red Wings control as well. CF is usually pretty responsive to questions, perhaps it's worth asking?
Kind of late to the party, but Rybar and Sateri had a pretty even split of the workload in GR that year, and that was with the Wings barely ever having to recall a goalie for most of that season.
From what I remember the Griffins started that season with Sateri at starter and Rybar as backup. As the season wore on, they switched to more of a platoon that eventually saw Rybar get more of the work as a #1A. Eventually Sateri got hurt in late March and missed all but the last game remaining of the regular season which pressed Rybar into the starter job while the Griffins were trying to clinch a playoff spot. IIRC, the team ended the year on a 9 game losing streak and Rybar kind of fell apart during that spell as the Griffins #1. Just a quick look back, he allowed 14 goals in GR's last 3 games that year, 3 of which came in the first 2 of the last game where he allowed 3 goals on 3 shots before they pulled him for Sateri. They ended up clinching the playoffs because the Moose, who needed 2pts to bump GR from the playoffs, lost later on. They ended up going with Sateri for the playoffs.
I think the Wings wanted to bring back Rybar (considering they qualified him) for another year in GR (and IIRC, he was waiver exempt for one more season), but he didn't want to go back to GR or take a 2-way contract when he could make more money in Europe. That said, even without Howard in the picture, Yzerman doesn't seem like the type to take a chance on inexperienced goalies, so Rybar wasn't likely to get much of a chance in the NHL anyway. Might've been better than Pickard (and Howard) though...
Rybar is essentially a UFA now. If memory serves me right, we loose his rights on his 27th birthday and his birthday is sometime in November.
I'm pretty sure they offered him a contract but he didn't want to move to NA yet at that point. Was in his 2nd year with Davos if I remember correctly.I still think it's a shame they didn't give him a chance. Howard is gone now and there was no real need to ride him back then.
I'm pretty sure they offered him a contract but he didn't want to move to NA yet at that point. Was in his 2nd year with Davos if I remember correctly.
Oops, sorry about that. Thought it was about JVP.True, but my post was about Rybar...if you see which post I quoted
Don't bother to ask. Much like the KHL, Switzerland's transfer agreement with the NHL ended in 2008. So we're talking about 12 years with no agreement. With no agreement in place, NHL teams hold players rights indefinitely..
Joren van Pottelberghe is still very much a Redwings prospect and I fully expect him to play in the NHL when his contract in Switzerland expires. He might even come over earlier if the transfer agreement gets extended but I don't think he'd be interested in playing AHL. AHL season very much in doubt now anyway and who knows if next year will be any better.
I thought it was 2011 when it ended (they signed a 4 year agreement with the NHL in 2007), but obviously semantics given that's still well before JVP was drafted. I'm assuming him moving from a league in Sweden to the NLA 2 years after he was drafted switched his rights from 4 years to indefinite?
The NHL and Switzerland reached a transfer agreement this past April, but I'm assuming that only effects draft picks made after it was ratified. The only player drafted in the 2020 draft out of the NLA (or Switz. at all) was Benjamin Baumgartner by the Devils. CF lists his signing deadline as 2022, which aligns with the usual for players drafted from clubs outside NA (4 years if they are 18-19 when drafted, 2 years if 20 or over - Baumgartner turned 20 in April).
I actually came back to post one example that shows CF is likely correct: Merzlikins was drafted by the Jackets (out of the NLA) in 2014 and didn't sign till spring of 2019, so he was likely in the same indefinite boat.
Realistically, it's probably pretty slim that JVP comes over and doesn't spend at least the start of his first season in NA in the AHL. I'm sure he's aware of this though, so I'm guessing at this point he's probably waiting till he turns 24 (June 2021) to sign, so his required 2-way ELC can only be for one year and his next contract would be eligible for arbitration. Then he ends up anywhere from 1 to 3 years away from severing the Red Wings control over his NHL destiny.
Rybar is essentially a UFA now. If memory serves me right, we loose his rights on his 27th birthday and his birthday is sometime in November.
I don't think he'll come over to play AHL at all. He's gonna try and pull a Merzlikins, especially now that he's seen it work.
I kind of thought it would carry until 6/30 following his 27th b-day (like it says in the bubble when you hover over the 27th Bday tag on CapFriendly), but I could be wrong.
Even then, that's still pretty moot. Wings could hypothetically send him a contract offer in the Spring, but if it's not to his liking he can simply wait till summer and take offers from any other interested NHL teams.
I'm guessing the Rybar ship sailed when he didn't want to re-sign right away last summer and the Wings hitched GR's wagon to Pickard for 2 years. Rybar even signed his extension for the current season way back in early December last year. It's a shame too because he likely would've had a better shot to get some NHL time with Howard's groin injury in December and Pickard not doing so hot in the AHL, let alone the NHL.