ArmChairGM89
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Yeah but to see this in a men’s league the game after the draft is pretty thrilling.Small sample sizes are small
You should be careful reading anything in to this, but their stats after 5 games are actually very similar.
Elias Pettersson: 0 G + 3 A = 3 P, 1 point at ES, 55% corsi, TOI = 13:44
Lucas Raymond: 2 G + 1 A = 3 P, 1 point at ES, 65% corsi, TOI = 14:49
(William Nylander had a crazy start to his season and was already at 7 points after 5 games).
I agree. I was posting about Peterson and all that.Yeah but to see this in a men’s league the game after the draft is pretty thrilling.
His rocky year should beHate me but he is our #1 prospect, Seider is very close but Raymond has 1 line potential.
why would we hate you for thinking a player we just drafted 4th overall is our #1 prospect?
Lucas played with U18 when he was 14-15 years old. He played with U20 and SHL when he was 16.Got to try and temper expectations of course but for now I'm excited about our shiny new toy.
Was Raymond still 16 during the U18s? Thought I heard Button say that when the pick was made. Hopefully he can have a solid year in the SHL. He's an elite playmaker and his shot is very deceptive.
One thing noticeable in his game is his forechecking. He covers a lot of ice.....will be interesting how that translates to smaller ice.
Pretty cool feature about Raymond a few months before he got drafted. It’s in Swedish but if you go to the caption settings you can turn on English subtitles.
Lucas played with U18 when he was 14-15 years old. He played with U20 and SHL when he was 16.
Edit: He was 16 at the Hlinka-Gretzky (U18) cup....
Raymond didn't have a bad year...
He did.
Holtz was clearly better and even Lundell considering the League-level equalizer.
It was very meh and average season at production/Ice-Time. But there was some defensive factors seen on his role, which will lower a bit of his offensive numbers.
Also Raymond had very meh WJC. When Finland did win the 2016 WJC, we had 17-olds as the dominating force like Aho and Laine. Against Mathhews, Werenski, Tkachuk, Marner, those were there against them. Outplayed badly.
Raymond and Holtz were just shadows of it at 2019. But for Raymond, there was the sickness as a reason. I know he wasn't 100%. That's why I had some concerns, but because Red Wings won't have any concerns, I'm over it. They know it better.
His play away from the puck was the X-factor for me to rank him 4th on my list. He's ever so slightly behind Stutzle, and I think he has a real chance to overtake him as early as this season. I've been more impressed by Raymond's 200 ft game than Rossi's, and its not because Rossi is a slouch in his own end, but because the quality of competition Raymond has had to go up against. It's why I like the Panarin comparison for him so much, Raymond can be a difference maker all over the ice without having to be a center.I get what you mean, I really do, you make good points but a lot of it is stats-based. Personally, having watched Raymond in the SHL, it was just obvious that he was learning the pro game, and on a personal level, that was a great season for him. The goal for his development was very clear, and it was a success for him and his team, I am sure. His 2-way play for a prospect his age is phenomenal. His talent level was never in question, now that he knows how to play an excellent pro game, he'll be able to flash his skills a lot more. So in the end, he didn't have a "bad" year for his development, he learned a lot and it shows. For his draft pedigree, yeah I guess it was a bad year, but to me Raymond is a phenomenal player with and without the puck whenever I watch him play.
I get what you mean, I really do, you make good points but a lot of it is stats-based.
Personally, having watched Raymond in the SHL, it was just obvious that he was learning the pro game, and on a personal level, that was a great season for him. The goal for his development was very clear, and it was a success for him and his team, I am sure. His 2-way play for a prospect his age is phenomenal. His talent level was never in question, now that he knows how to play an excellent pro game, he'll be able to flash his skills a lot more. So in the end, he didn't have a "bad" year for his development, he learned a lot and it shows. For his draft pedigree, yeah I guess it was a bad year, but to me Raymond is a phenomenal player with and without the puck whenever I watch him play.
Yeah, he didn't shine on stats. I kind of wanted to see that from our pick. That's why I preferred Perfetti.
This same development thing happened with Zadina, so I'm not too worried about it. Like Zadina, he did went to AHL and didn't shine offensively. I didn't see the games. I waited and waited some offence to "prove" the development. Nothing happened.
But then, he was called in NHL. And my god he did look good and different. That one-trick pony was a creative playmaker, total different guy I expected. That was the first proof that we. can. develop. players. Sniper Zadina turned to be more complete as a playmaker. The shot did ever disappear, he just didn't use it until on the PP.
That's why I'm also quite comfortable now to believe, that Raymond is in the best place at Europe to develop. Yzermna has been hyping Sweden as best developmental league, and other organizations are hyping Frölunda as the best develpung organizations.
So even though the stats didn't look good, I can presume, than Raymond is in the best place in the whoole WORLD currently, to develop as a hockeyplayer.
Playing 15:07 a game in the SHL so far. Up from 9:48 last year.
Exactly this. They play well as a hockey team and do not push for offense too much, they are limiting chances against by not putting themselves out of position, that's why they are at the top of the standings. Raymond definitely learned this last season, he basically make no mistake almost ever.And 7th most from fowards. He is kind of middle6 forward + 2nd PP specialist.
Have seen Frölunda now twice and it's really strong defensive an disciplined low-scoring team. So individual points are not gonna sky-rocket, that two-play is big part of their game. So it doesn't really metter, if Raymond doesn't score so much.