Wings Select Lucas Raymond 4th Overall

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You should be careful reading anything in to this, but their stats after 5 games are actually very similar.

Elias Pettersson: 0 G + 3 A = 3 P, 1 point at ES, 55% corsi, TOI = 13:44

Lucas Raymond: 2 G + 1 A = 3 P, 1 point at ES, 65% corsi, TOI = 14:49

(William Nylander had a crazy start to his season and was already at 7 points after 5 games).

Not that it’s super reflective of regular season, it’s a nice footnote to remember that Raymond had 4 goals and 2 assists in 5 preseason games prior to this season kicking off.
 

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Got to try and temper expectations of course but for now I'm excited about our shiny new toy.

Was Raymond still 16 during the U18s? Thought I heard Button say that when the pick was made. Hopefully he can have a solid year in the SHL. He's an elite playmaker and his shot is very deceptive.

One thing noticeable in his game is his forechecking. He covers a lot of ice.....will be interesting how that translates to smaller ice.
 

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Got to try and temper expectations of course but for now I'm excited about our shiny new toy.

Was Raymond still 16 during the U18s? Thought I heard Button say that when the pick was made. Hopefully he can have a solid year in the SHL. He's an elite playmaker and his shot is very deceptive.

One thing noticeable in his game is his forechecking. He covers a lot of ice.....will be interesting how that translates to smaller ice.
Lucas played with U18 when he was 14-15 years old. He played with U20 and SHL when he was 16.

Edit: He was 16 at the Hlinka-Gretzky (U18) cup....
 
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Pretty cool feature about Raymond a few months before he got drafted. It’s in Swedish but if you go to the caption settings you can turn on English subtitles.



Thanks for showing this, really enjoyed watching this. Checked out episode 3 and saw Kronwall, Yzerman and Draper scouting in the stands. Those little bits of Gothenberg looked beautiful too.
 
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Lucas played with U18 when he was 14-15 years old. He played with U20 and SHL when he was 16.

Edit: He was 16 at the Hlinka-Gretzky (U18) cup....

And scored a hat-trick in the gold medal game.

If anyone is not hyped on this kid, I recommend watching his Hlinka, U18 and U20 tournaments on youtube. And keep in mind he’s an underager in every one of those clips...
 
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I wasn't that pumped about him, when was waiting for this draft (for six months).

Raymond highlights were great from 2018-19 season, but not much for 2018-20. His data also from SEL was poor.

But he obviously had poor 2019-20 season. It could have been the sickness he had, which happened just before the WJC, or whatever. But when Red Wings will draft him, with all Håkan connections to Frölunda, he just is the sure bet. They will know everything is good. Håkan has made it sure, checked the details. It wasn't a super-season, but they know why.

They don't care about bad years, when they are drafting. Like Raymond had. They care only about the talent. That's the differece against us fanboys, like me.

Now I'm 100% Raymond will be come out good. They did the same with Neiderbach, didn't care about the 1 season missed for knee injury. They care only about the talent.

Raymond will be our "Alfredsson". A complete winger. Very very probably.
 

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Raymond didn't have a bad year...

He did.

Holtz was clearly better and even Lundell considering the League-level equalizer.

It was very meh and average season at production/Ice-Time. But there was some defensive factors seen on his role, which will lower a bit of his offensive numbers.

Also Raymond had very meh WJC. When Finland did win the 2016 WJC, we had 17-olds as the dominating force like Aho and Laine. Against Mathhews, Werenski, Tkachuk, Marner, those were there against them. Outplayed badly.

Raymond and Holtz were just shadows of it at 2019. But for Raymond, there was the sickness as a reason. I know he wasn't 100%. That's why I had some concerns, but because Red Wings won't have any concerns, I'm over it. They know it better.
 
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He did.

Holtz was clearly better and even Lundell considering the League-level equalizer.

It was very meh and average season at production/Ice-Time. But there was some defensive factors seen on his role, which will lower a bit of his offensive numbers.

Also Raymond had very meh WJC. When Finland did win the 2016 WJC, we had 17-olds as the dominating force like Aho and Laine. Against Mathhews, Werenski, Tkachuk, Marner, those were there against them. Outplayed badly.

Raymond and Holtz were just shadows of it at 2019. But for Raymond, there was the sickness as a reason. I know he wasn't 100%. That's why I had some concerns, but because Red Wings won't have any concerns, I'm over it. They know it better.

I get what you mean, I really do, you make good points but a lot of it is stats-based. Personally, having watched Raymond in the SHL, it was just obvious that he was learning the pro game, and on a personal level, that was a great season for him. The goal for his development was very clear, and it was a success for him and his team, I am sure. His 2-way play for a prospect his age is phenomenal. His talent level was never in question, now that he knows how to play an excellent pro game, he'll be able to flash his skills a lot more. So in the end, he didn't have a "bad" year for his development, he learned a lot and it shows. For his draft pedigree, yeah I guess it was a bad year, but to me Raymond is a phenomenal player with and without the puck whenever I watch him play.
 
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I get what you mean, I really do, you make good points but a lot of it is stats-based. Personally, having watched Raymond in the SHL, it was just obvious that he was learning the pro game, and on a personal level, that was a great season for him. The goal for his development was very clear, and it was a success for him and his team, I am sure. His 2-way play for a prospect his age is phenomenal. His talent level was never in question, now that he knows how to play an excellent pro game, he'll be able to flash his skills a lot more. So in the end, he didn't have a "bad" year for his development, he learned a lot and it shows. For his draft pedigree, yeah I guess it was a bad year, but to me Raymond is a phenomenal player with and without the puck whenever I watch him play.
His play away from the puck was the X-factor for me to rank him 4th on my list. He's ever so slightly behind Stutzle, and I think he has a real chance to overtake him as early as this season. I've been more impressed by Raymond's 200 ft game than Rossi's, and its not because Rossi is a slouch in his own end, but because the quality of competition Raymond has had to go up against. It's why I like the Panarin comparison for him so much, Raymond can be a difference maker all over the ice without having to be a center.
 
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I get what you mean, I really do, you make good points but a lot of it is stats-based.

Yeah, he didn't shine on stats. I kind of wanted to see that from our pick. That's why I preferred Perfetti.

Personally, having watched Raymond in the SHL, it was just obvious that he was learning the pro game, and on a personal level, that was a great season for him. The goal for his development was very clear, and it was a success for him and his team, I am sure. His 2-way play for a prospect his age is phenomenal. His talent level was never in question, now that he knows how to play an excellent pro game, he'll be able to flash his skills a lot more. So in the end, he didn't have a "bad" year for his development, he learned a lot and it shows. For his draft pedigree, yeah I guess it was a bad year, but to me Raymond is a phenomenal player with and without the puck whenever I watch him play.

Yes, you are right.

This same development thing happened with Zadina, so I'm not too worried about it. Like Zadina, he did went to AHL and didn't shine offensively. I didn't see the games. I waited and waited for some offence to "prove" the development. Nothing happened.

Scoring is not all.

But then, he was called in NHL. And my god he did look good and different. That one-trick pony was a creative playmaker, total different guy I expected. That was the first proof that we. can. develop. players. Sniper Zadina turned to be more complete as a playmaker. The shot did never disappear, he just didn't use it until on the PP.

That's why I'm also quite comfortable now to believe, that Raymond is in the best place at Europe to develop. Yzerman has been hyping Sweden as best developmental league, and other organizations are hyping Frölunda as the best developing organizations. It's not some fake reality we live in.

So even though the stats didn't look good, I can presume, than Raymond is in the best place in the whole WORLD currently, to develop as a hockeyplayer.

He was 2nd overall at summer 2019. Think all of Byfield, Stutzle and Raymond can be 2nd overalls.
 
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Yeah, he didn't shine on stats. I kind of wanted to see that from our pick. That's why I preferred Perfetti.



This same development thing happened with Zadina, so I'm not too worried about it. Like Zadina, he did went to AHL and didn't shine offensively. I didn't see the games. I waited and waited some offence to "prove" the development. Nothing happened.

But then, he was called in NHL. And my god he did look good and different. That one-trick pony was a creative playmaker, total different guy I expected. That was the first proof that we. can. develop. players. Sniper Zadina turned to be more complete as a playmaker. The shot did ever disappear, he just didn't use it until on the PP.

That's why I'm also quite comfortable now to believe, that Raymond is in the best place at Europe to develop. Yzermna has been hyping Sweden as best developmental league, and other organizations are hyping Frölunda as the best develpung organizations.

So even though the stats didn't look good, I can presume, than Raymond is in the best place in the whoole WORLD currently, to develop as a hockeyplayer.

Really good point about Zadina learning the pro game and now starting to shine after great development. It's a similar process with Raymond. I would say it was exactly the same with Seider in the DEL too. Seider was and is excellent.
 
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Playing 15:07 a game in the SHL so far. Up from 9:48 last year.

And 7th most from fowards. He is kind of middle6 forward + 2nd PP specialist.

Have seen Frölunda now twice and it's really strong defensive an disciplined low-scoring team. So individual points are not gonna sky-rocket, that two-play is big part of their game. So it doesn't really metter, if Raymond doesn't score so much.
 
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And 7th most from fowards. He is kind of middle6 forward + 2nd PP specialist.

Have seen Frölunda now twice and it's really strong defensive an disciplined low-scoring team. So individual points are not gonna sky-rocket, that two-play is big part of their game. So it doesn't really metter, if Raymond doesn't score so much.
Exactly this. They play well as a hockey team and do not push for offense too much, they are limiting chances against by not putting themselves out of position, that's why they are at the top of the standings. Raymond definitely learned this last season, he basically make no mistake almost ever.
 
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Well this kid showed us the complete package this tournament. It would have been fun to watch him carry the team but Sweden was just way too bad for that to happen.

I was really impressed by all parts of his game, mainly his smarts. He was money when the puck was on his stick.

He needs to get faster and stronger. He also needs to continue to attack with his feet like he did in this tournament. I feel like in the SHL he does not attack the same way.
 

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