Wings make offer to Green

[MBauer]

Extending Green would weaken our tank for Jack Hughes pretty good though... if Green doesn't resign I think 55 year-old Kronwall might be running the point on the PP1 ..

He's been on the first unit for the past two seasons , Green for the most part has been on the second unit, though they have split the time pretty even and Green gets 5 on 3/ 4 on 3 type situations, so he ends up with more overall pp time.

I don't want to see Kronwall on the pp at all next season, just wasted minutes, give it to two younger players if Green signs elsewhere.

 

[cjm502]

You mean the one who can't actually defend?

You seem to have missed the key word, arguably. Who on our blue line do you think is better overall? Green is so far beyond all our other defenseman offensively that it makes up for his defensive lapses twice over imo.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Won’t be heartbroken if Green is gone but at the same time to rebuild a terrible D you shouldn’t really start with getting rid of the best parts. Jensen and Ouellet are easily replaceable with Cholo/Hronek/Sulak/Hicketts. Kronwall is a strong gust of wind away from breaking down and retiring. Ericsson is entering his last years too.

DDK and Green are essentially the only two guys on our D that would make the top 6 of all teams in the league. Green isn’t a big loss but still our D looks better going forward by holding onto him either by helping us win more or by being a possible trade asset. 2 year deal would be perfectly fine.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Won’t be heartbroken if Green is gone but at the same time to rebuild a terrible D you shouldn’t really start with getting rid of the best parts. Jensen and Ouellet are easily replaceable with Cholo/Hronek/Sulak/Hicketts. Kronwall is a strong gust of wind away from breaking down and retiring. Ericsson is entering his last years too.

DDK and Green are essentially the only two guys on our D that would make the top 6 of all teams in the league. Green isn’t a big loss but still our D looks better going forward by holding onto him either by helping us win more or by being a possible trade asset. 2 year deal would be perfectly fine.

Trevor Daley should easily make a top 6 of teams d cores

 

[WesNichols14]

If its 2 years max i will be happy. Even at the same cap. Hopefully be takes a cut, but not the end of the world. And absolutely no NTC.

 

[Datsyukian Deke]

He points out that Green is Detroit's best defender, which really underlines how pathetic they are at defense, when a guy who would be bottom pairing on a contender is considered vital to Detroit's top pairing.

Any resemblance of defense left with Nick, sadly.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Trevor Daley should easily make a top 6 of teams d cores

Pretty much forgot about him, but yeah you're right. Still Danny and Green are probably top 4 on most teams, Daley likely 3rd pairing for most.

 

[PelagicJoe]

I can deal with a couple more years of Green as long as it's a reasonable deal. 2 or 3 years tops. We have no suitable replacement for him. Putting a kid in his spot would just result in said kid getting destroyed every night.
I wouldn't mind seeing Carlson here. I am.not holding my breath though.
Our #6 pick needs to be a home run.

 

[njx9]

I can deal with a couple more years of Green as long as it's a reasonable deal. 2 or 3 years tops. We have no suitable replacement for him. Putting a kid in his spot would just result in said kid getting destroyed every night.
I wouldn't mind seeing Carlson here. I am.not holding my breath though.
Our #6 pick needs to be a home run.

There's no way you put a kid in Green's spot - you just overplay DDK, Daley, Kronwall and E, since none of them ultimately matter at all. Move Hronek or Cholo or whoever else around for development, and sacrifice the vets.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So according to Khan, Holland offered Green 1 year $6 million or 2 years $10 million. Now the ball is in Green's court does he sign or test free agency.

 

[WesNichols14]

I like those numbers actually. Once again as long as there is no NTC.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Can't see Green not getting a NTC/NMC in his contract, Because if he's moved at the end of the deal. He'll want to control where he goes. And you can't really blame him he's not getting any younger here.

 

[StargateSG1]

Can't see Green not getting a NTC/NMC in his contract, Because if he's moved at the end of the deal. He'll want to control where he goes. And you can't really blame him he's not getting any younger here.

So, walk away! It's not that difficult.
They aren't entitled to the NTCs or NMCs.

 

[Ezekial]

I figured that would be the offers. Not bad, I imagine he'll get a better offer.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So, walk away! It's not that difficult.
They aren't entitled to the NTCs or NMCs.

I agree that they're not always entitled to NTC/NMC but whatever team Green does sign with he's going to ask for it. Unless he's going to a cup contender or that team pretty much guarantee's him to finish his career there.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I figured that would be the offers. Not bad, I imagine he'll get a better offer.

Yeah he might get 3 or 4 year deals somewhere, But i think it would be foolish for any GM to offer him that many years coming off of major neck surgery with vertabrae issues.

 

[StargateSG1]

I agree that they're not always entitled to NTC/NMC but whatever team Green does sign with he's going to ask for it. Unless he's going to a cup contender or that team pretty much guarantee's him to finish his career there.

NTCs should be reserved for an elite group, NMCs only for franchise players.
Just walk away, it's not Lidstrom, it's Mike freaking Green, looking for retirement contract. Screw him!
He already screwed the Wings out of a pick at the last TDL.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

NTCs should be reserved for an elite group, NMCs only for franchise players.
Just walk away, it's not Lidstrom, it's Mike freaking Green, looking for retirement contract. Screw him!

Couldn't agree more, Let Green go and possibly try and sign Carlson. Though he probably stays with the Caps as long as they give him what he wants.

 

[jkutswings]

NTCs should be reserved for an elite group, NMCs only for franchise players.
Just walk away, it's not Lidstrom, it's Mike freaking Green, looking for retirement contract. Screw him!
He already screwed the Wings out of a pick at the last TDL.

Prior to the trade deadline, I checked to see how many players each team had with either full NTC or NMC clauses.

Zero, one, and two were the most common denominations (in that order), with a league average of about 1.6 players per team with anything more than a modified no trade clause.

The Wings currently have six. And they're for Abdelkader, Daley, DeKeyser, Helm, Nielsen, and Nyquist - not exactly a who's who of the NHL elite.

So yeah, it's not like the rest of the league is handing them out like candy - save them for truly special players, and be willing to occasionally walk away if need be.

 

[NickH8]

and be willing to occasionally walk away if need be.

Ken Holland has no ability to walk away from negotiations, it's ridiculous. He sets his mind on a player and will make sure he gets him. One of the big rules of negotiation is to not fall in love with the product, and Ken Holland breaks that every offseason. He also has a spending problem. If there's cap space he has to spend it. This isn't a guy you want running your rebuilding team.

 

[TCNorthstars]

NTCs should be reserved for an elite group, NMCs only for franchise players.
Just walk away, it's not Lidstrom, it's Mike freaking Green, looking for retirement contract. Screw him!
He already screwed the Wings out of a pick at the last TDL.

That is a little harsh. He didn’t screw the Wings out of a pick. Unless it is your contention that he got injured on purpose so he couldn’t be traded.

 

[Run the Jewels]

This has "Dan Cleary handshake deal" written all over it. Green is smart to test the market, Holland will cave with term and a nice little bow on top with a no trade/movement clause.

Holland always caves.

 

[BinCookin]

Well I hope you pessimists are wrong about Holland... I hope

 

[Reddwit]

I'm not going to cry if we don't sign Green, but I think people are really underestimating the toll its going to take on this team if we don't have Green's help. Forget points - the guy can still get the puck out of the zone and up the ice. Without him, we have no one who can reliably do that work. That's going to make life hell on our forwards and potentially force kids like Hronek and Cholowski to grow up fast. Its also going to make the games even more of a chore to watch. I'd take the risk that Green sucks and ends up in the recycling bin along with our over overpaid vets and give him 3 years if thats what it takes, assuming the salary is reasonable in exchange for that extra year. All of our other defenseman sans Dekeyser would be gone by that 3rd year anyway.

Carlson shouldn't even be entering this conversation. We have no shot at getting him.

 

[njx9]

Its also going to make the games even more of a chore to watch.

The games suck to watch with one puck moving defender, and they'll only suck the barest sliver more with zero. It's not like adding or removing Green will suddenly make the forwards able to or interested in forechecking, and it certainly won't make the team, sans Larkin and AA, any faster around the ice. And it won't change that the forwards still largely can't function at an ECHL-level on the PP.

*shrug* The only arguments for/against Green should center on whether or not he changes the development path for Hronek and Cholo. I don't buy that he does. They're both still going to play sheltered, 3rd pair minutes, regardless of what collection of crap plays on the first and second pair (if they play in Detroit). And, given that Green can only play so many minutes, and still has to play with another defenseman, I really have a hard time buying that him not being there will hinder Larkin and Mantha in a meaningful way.