Helene St. James Wings Interested in Boyle

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

By weighted average Detroit is tied for oldest team in the NHL at 30 years old.

What's weighted average?

 

[Shaman464]

What's weighted average?

They only count players over 200 pounds of course.

But seriously, they remove players that played less than I believe 10 NHL games. Normal average would be all players who played any games.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

They only count players over 200 pounds of course.

But seriously, they remove players that played less than I believe 10 NHL games. Normal average would be all players who played any games.

Okay makes sense, I had never heard of it put quite that way before. Because the last I looked there was like 7 teams that were older then Detroit. I believe New Jersey being the oldest.

 

[Shaman464]

Okay makes sense, I had never heard of it put quite that way before. Because the last I looked there was like 7 teams that were older then Detroit. I believe New Jersey being the oldest.

Yeah, that's the unweighted average, with the rotating door from the AHL last season it pulled the team's average down around 2 years from 30.03 to 27.3.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah, that's the unweighted average, with the rotating door from the AHL last season it pulled the team's average down around 2 years from 30.03 to 27.3.

Okay I could see how that would happen.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I thought that Holland only wanted someone on a short term deal 1-2 years because Sproul, Marchenko and Ouellet should be ready by then. But at the same time I had heard that Holland was thinking about exploring the trade market because he wanted a longer term solution for the top 4 hence Edler, Yandle and Ehrhoff were mentioned.

holland has been looking for this for years now thats why it baffles me why so mnay guys want boyle

holland has been linked to edler, yandle, bogo, jaybo, ehrhoff, byflugien, suter, etc because he gets it or at least i hope he does, top pairing dmen dont grow on treees and yet are so instrumental to winning whereas depth guys are a dime a dozen

 

[SoupNazi]

I wish the organization was better with trading. It always seems like a boom or bust situation with Detroit, and no marginal improvements.

We were in on Nash when he was leaving Columbus, Alex Edler, Ryan Kesler, Jay Bouwmeester, etc.

And someone like Nikitin gets dealt for a 5th rounder. He is significantly better than Kindl and Lashoff... probably even better than Ericsson.

But I guess when we did try to get marginally better, we forked out a 1st for Kyle Quincey. It's just frustrating.

Although just about anyone is better than Kindl and Lashoff, there is no chance he is better than Ericsson.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

holland has been looking for this for years now thats why it baffles me why so mnay guys want boyle

holland has been linked to edler, yandle, bogo, jaybo, ehrhoff, byflugien, suter, etc because he gets it or at least i hope he does, top pairing dmen dont grow on treees and yet are so instrumental to winning whereas depth guys are a dime a dozen

Top pairing Dmen also cost an arm and a leg BECAUSE they don't grow on trees.

You want a guy like Yandle or Big Buff, you are giving up at least Nyquist+ for them.

 

[Frk It]

I wish the organization was better with trading. It always seems like a boom or bust situation with Detroit, and no marginal improvements.

We were in on Nash when he was leaving Columbus, Alex Edler, Ryan Kesler, Jay Bouwmeester, etc.

And someone like Nikitin gets dealt for a 5th rounder. He is significantly better than Kindl and Lashoff... probably even better than Ericsson.

But I guess when we did try to get marginally better, we forked out a 1st for Kyle Quincey. It's just frustrating.

What they gave up in the trade for Nikitin was reasonable, maybe.

The contract they signed him to was pretty awful.

 

[Ricelund]

You want a guy like Yandle or Big Buff, you are giving up at least Nyquist+ for them.

Not sure about that. Look what Bouwmeester went for.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Not sure about that. Look what Bouwmeester went for.

Didn't you hear what they supposedly turned down from us?

per Hope Smoke

McKenzie "I've heard that the Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester or another player but chose not to"

https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/456178678875975682

 

[chances14]

might just be me but it seems like other gm's ask for way more from holland than they do other gm's

 

[Kyleftlx]

Top pairing Dmen also cost an arm and a leg BECAUSE they don't grow on trees.

You want a guy like Yandle or Big Buff, you are giving up at least Nyquist+ for them.

The thing that's frustrating with this is that when you look at the guys who end up being traded for the top pairing d-men, it isn't always an AMAZING return for the teams giving them up.

Look at what Calgary got for Jay Bouwmeester in the end... a 1st round pick (Emile Poirier... could turn out alright), Mark Cundari, and Reto Berra... it doesn't look like Cundari is expected to make the team next year at 25, and Berra isn't even with the club anymore. Basically, it seems like they traded Bouwmeester for Poirier and a 2nd round pick.

Why does it always seem like Detroit would have to give up prospects like Tatar or Nyquist (in recent years), two guys who have went on to be integral pieces of Detroit's current roster as of '13-14, but other teams are able to snag a d-man that is pretty good for a fairly low offer? I have heard the argument that Detroit's prospects are a bit more of a question mark than other teams, but Cundari was an undrafted free agent, Berra was a 4th round pick.

Of course, this was just one example, and obviously the market is different currently than it was when Detroit was in on Bouwmeester, but the point stays the same. I know Detroit was unwilling to give up the 1st rounder (thank god, Mantha is so awesome), but that return was nowhere near the talent level of the guys that teams would need to justify making the trade with Detroit.

 

[Kyleftlx]

Not sure about that. Look what Bouwmeester went for.

Haha, this is exactly what I was pointing out, but I decided to key mash for 10 minutes before posting my version!

 

[crashman]

By weighted average Detroit is tied for oldest team in the NHL at 30 years old.

Really? Even after you count the departure of Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Quincey?

NJ has to be the oldest team with Jagr, Elias, Salavador, Zidlicky and Ryder.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Top pairing Dmen also cost an arm and a leg BECAUSE they don't grow on trees.

You want a guy like Yandle or Big Buff, you are giving up at least Nyquist+ for them.

i dont think it would cost us nyquist plus anything substantial

i do think something based on tatar, the 15th overall and pulkinnen could get it done

i cant remember the last time any player of any age of any position in the last 20 years was traded for "an arm and a leg"

if we're going to call setoguchi or dubinsky or michalek substantial then we have to not only remember who they were at time of trade but also who they're now which means losing the equivalent player isnt a big deal because in a few years they will be worthless

it has to be both sides of the coin, not just the convienent side we want

 

[Henkka]

Yeah, that's the unweighted average, with the rotating door from the AHL last season it pulled the team's average down around 2 years from 30.03 to 27.3.

Current average age is 27.1 years old with a 23-man roster, all signed players + unsigned RFAs, Marchenko and Ferraro up.

If we sign Alfie and burn Jurco and Ferraro to AHL, the average will rise to 27.8 years.

If we sign both Alfie and Boyle, and send also Marchenko down in AHL, the average will rise to 28.6 years old.

Those +30 year-old averags have to include Bertuzzis and Samuelssons from last season, and that's not the case anymore. False analyze.

 

[Shaman464]

Current average age is 27.1 years old with a 23-man roster, all signed players + unsigned RFAs, Marchenko and Ferraro up.

If we sign Alfie and burn Jurco and Ferraro to AHL, the average will rise to 27.8 years.

If we sign both Alfie and Boyle, and send also Marchenko down in AHL, the average will rise to 28.6 years old.

Those +30 year-old averags have to include Bertuzzis and Samuelssons from last season, and that's not the case anymore. False analyze.

Add Cleary.

 

[Henkka]

Add Cleary.

Why? He's unsigned UFA.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

i dont think it would cost us nyquist plus anything substantial

i do think something based on tatar, the 15th overall and pulkinnen could get it done

i cant remember the last time any player of any age of any position in the last 20 years was traded for "an arm and a leg"

if we're going to call setoguchi or dubinsky or michalek substantial then we have to not only remember who they were at time of trade but also who they're now which means losing the equivalent player isnt a big deal because in a few years they will be worthless

it has to be both sides of the coin, not just the convienent side we want

You are talking about guys who aren't really being shopped. If they aren't shopping them they have no motivation to move them for anything less than substantial.

Bouwmeester was going to be moved and look what they turned down for him.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Add Cleary.

If we sign Cleary it will be on a two way deal in which means he will be spending time in Grand Rapids only up in case of Injuries so he does'nt count.

 

[Shaman464]

Why? He's unsigned UFA.

Because him being signed is as likely as the sun rising.

 

[Run the Jewels]

might just be me but it seems like other gm's ask for way more from holland than they do other gm's

Well Steve Yzerman fleeced him for a 1st for Kyle Quincey...so yeah.

 

[Bench]

Well Steve Yzerman fleeced him for a 1st for Kyle Quincey...so yeah.

Colorado turned down the 1st round pick for Quincey. That was the whole point of the 3-way deal.

Of course in hindsight Quincey hasn't lived up to expectations, but that doesn't rewrite history into Yzerman fleecing Holland when he was doing him a favor. Yzerman gave up Downie, a very productive young agitator at the time, to made that happen.

 

[Ricelund]

St. James:

#redwings have talked to ufa d dan boyle's camp, but sense is another team will give him more $$$ & term.