Pre-Game Talk: Wings @ Canucks, Wednesday at 10:30 (Franzen out with injury, Glendening Recalled)

[SoupNazi]

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 3h
#RedWings going to Canada with just six healthy defensemen, will call someone up if needed after Wed. game at Vancouver.

I wish we'd get someone else in to at least attempt to fix the defense. We're giving up way too many shots as of late, which is a huge part of our woes.

 

[Winger98]

Heput himself in the not getting Nyquist up by signing Cleary for 1.75 million at the end of year. No cleary and we have Nyquist up

I'm not questioning he did it to himself, but so have a lot of other GMs this year. They've all done it to themselves with whatever moves they've made.

 

[detredWINgs]

He's willing to put Abdelkader and Cleary in the top 6. And he's willing to stack a top line with Hank-Datsyuk-Alfie for a game or two...But it hasn't occurred to him to move one of Weiss or Zetterberg to the wing and stack his top 6? If you want to take the "pressure" off of Weiss, why the hell wouldn't you see if putting him on the wing of a superstar center helps him out?

This coach...

 

[Frk It]

Didn't even realize Franzen was hurt.

Injury to a top 6 winger and they still call up Glendening over Nyquist.

Pretty sure that yells you all you need to know about him playing this year.

 

[detredWINgs]

I'm not questioning he did it to himself, but so have a lot of other GMs this year. They've all done it to themselves with whatever moves they've made.

I don't think any other GMs had a clearly-ready 24 year old prospect in their system who had already proven himself at every level outside of the NHL, had shown he can compete in the NHL playoffs, has several things to offer that his team needs....and then went out of his way to add a sad sack to his team that literally no one else wanted, his own team didn't need, further bloating his roster and his salary cap.

 

[SoupNazi]

He's willing to put Abdelkader and Cleary in the top 6. And he's willing to stack a top line with Hank-Datsyuk-Alfie for a game or two...But it hasn't occurred to him to move one of Weiss or Zetterberg to the wing and stack his top 6? If you want to take the "pressure" off of Weiss, why the hell wouldn't you see if putting him on the wing of a superstar center helps him out?

I get the feeling that will happen eventually, but I doubt if it happens soon. And for that matter if Weiss starts producing to whatever standard Babcock has set for him, I doubt it happens at all.

 

[Vladdy84]

I wish we'd get someone else in to at least attempt to fix the defense. We're giving up way too many shots as of late, which is a huge part of our woes.

I'd wish we'd go get someone that could score.. Garth Snow > Ken Holland

 

[sully6one]

Didn't even realize Franzen was hurt.

Injury to a top 6 winger and they still call up Glendening over Nyquist.

Pretty sure that yells you all you need to know about him playing this year.

You really don't understand at all the business of managing a sports team do you? There's no real good options to trade away right now realistically. Give me a good trade that'd fix all problems related to salary and roster space.

 

[Frk It]

I don't think any other GMs had a clearly-ready 24 year old prospect in their system who had already proven himself at every level outside of the NHL, had shown he can compete in the NHL playoffs, has several things to offer that his team needs....and then went out of his way to add a sad sack to his team that literally no one else wanted, his own team didn't need, further bloating his roster and his salary cap.

That was exactly my point. There isn't.

 

[Frk It]

You really don't understand at all the business of managing a sports team do you? There's no real good options to trade away right now realistically. Give me a good trade that'd fix all problems related to salary and roster space.

Trade Quincey for whatever you can get and waive Cleary.

Stop worrying about players feelings, or your pride, and manage a hockey team like you're supposed to.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Trade Quincey for whatever you can get and waive Cleary.

Stop worrying about players feelings, or your pride, and manage a hockey team like you're supposed to.

Who has the cap space that would willingly take Quincey?

 

[Flowah]

Who has the cap space that would willingly take Quincey?

Why do we have so many players that are apparently completely undesirable to every other team?

Not really doing any favors for Holland's reputation as a good GM.

 

[SoupNazi]

Who has the cap space that would willingly take Quincey?

Florida might be able to take him. Why would they is another story.

 

[drw02]

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waive Andersson, cleary, sammy

 

[sully6one]

Trade Quincey for whatever you can get and waive Cleary.

Stop worrying about players feelings, or your pride, and manage a hockey team like you're supposed to.

Cleary isn't going anywhere. You get rid of a defensemen (Quincey) now you roll with 3 inexperienced defensemen at all times, 4 right now with Ericsson out. This isn't a NHL 14, young players make mistakes no matter how good they look. Try again.

 

[sully6one]

Mule-Pav-Tatar
Nyquist-Z-Alfie
Bert-Weiss-Eaves
Abby-Helm-Tootoo
Miller
Glendening

waive Andersson, cleary, sammy

Not going to happen when the coach likes Andersson and Cleary.

 

[SoupNazi]

Not going to happen when the coach likes Andersson and Cleary.

Cleary? Yeah, not happening.

Andersson? I'm not so sure - I can see him being forced out eventually due to a roster crunch.

 

[sully6one]

Cleary? Yeah, not happening.

Andersson? I'm not so sure - I can see him being forced out eventually due to a roster crunch.

Maybe next year after one year is burned on his contract. That'd be poor management if they signed him then the same year trade him.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Cleary isn't going anywhere. You get rid of a defensemen (Quincey) now you roll with 3 inexperienced defensemen at all times, 4 right now with Ericsson out. This isn't a NHL 14, young players make mistakes no matter how good they look. Try again.

So does Quincey, at this point I seriously would give Ouellet a huge chance at making fewer mistakes than Q. XO also has a good chance of actually have chemistry with at least one of the other guys on the backend we know KFQ has none with anybody.

 

[Frk It]

Cleary isn't going anywhere. You get rid of a defensemen (Quincey) now you roll with 3 inexperienced defensemen at all times, 4 right now with Ericsson out. This isn't a NHL 14, young players make mistakes no matter how good they look. Try again.

Apparently you missed the last game, but Quincey makes just as many mistakes as rookies. Look at Kyle Quincey's numbers since he joined the team, and tell me there would even be a difference if Lashoff or anyone replaced him.

And Cleary isn't going anywhere, but he SHOULD be, which is my point. But we're more concerned with friendships than winning hockey games.

 

[Chance on Chance]

You really don't understand at all the business of managing a sports team do you? There's no real good options to trade away right now realistically. Give me a good trade that'd fix all problems related to salary and roster space.

And signing guys like Sammy to 2 year 6 million dollar deals and then Cleary right before traing camp for 1.75 is the definition of managing a sports team?

 

[SoupNazi]

So does Quincey, at this point I seriously would give Ouellet a huge chance at making fewer mistakes than Q. XO also has a good chance of actually have chemistry with at least one of the other guys on the backend we know KFQ has none with anybody.

Honestly, I wonder who Quincey would have chemistry with? Nobody we've ever tried him with here seems to work out. It seems to just be a case of him not working in Babcock's system, plain and simple.

 

[hyduK]

fire babcock and let him focus on the olympic team.

promote blashill.

 

[Frk It]

And signing guys like Sammy to 2 year 6 million dollar deals and then Cleary right before traing camp for 1.75 is the definition of managing a sports team?

Definition of mismanaging

 

[Frk It]

Honestly, I wonder who Quincey would have chemistry with? Nobody we've ever tried him with here seems to work out. It seems to just be a case of him not working in Babcock's system, plain and simple.

He actually looks decent with lashoff IMO