Windsor Spitfires 2020 Offseason Thread (Part 2)
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Everyone don't write off Corcoran for this season too quick. Although he's signed, the NHL rumor makers state the AHL is a for sure no go without fans, much like the CHL. These players will need to play somewhere to keep in shape. The best alternative is the CHL for any players NHL signed but still eligible in junior. Most think the AHL won't play again until 2021-2022 season. Especially now that the pandemic is worse in the U.S. than ever before as far as new cases.
OHLTG
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The Windsor Star talked to Sobolev; he "cannot wait to come to Windsor."
Teflon
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7 are ya off ur meds again?!?! Damn dude!! Negative much!!!
Bowler made a trade, for someone with some distant connections to the team. If there's no connection and no one asking to leave he doesn't seem too inclined to make any trades to improve the team.
A former 2nd round pick with 4G/16A/20P in 77 games over the last two seasons for 2x 2nds and a conditional 5th if he plays an OA year. Betting on all those picks being gone.
I believe the OSH 2nd 2024 should be OSH 2nd 2022, the draft pick database shows NIA having the OSH 2nd 2024. That leaves Windsor with the following on their draft board from now until 2024
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So what does Renwick bring to the table? A two way D with some offensive upside?
At least the D will be set for next season before training camp unless Robinson gets moved.
G (2+1)
02 Medina
04 Downey
02 Tovell signed
D (7+2)
00 Corcoran or 00 Rupoli - Both OAs and Rupoli only returns if Corcoran doesn't.
01 Henault
01 Ladd
02 Robinson
02 Renwick
03 Sobolev - Import
04 De Angelis
02 Rafkin - Import who likely won't be coming back to Windsor but Bowler protected his rights anyway.
03 Jodoin signed
F (11)
00 Angle OA
00 Douglas OA
01 Afanasyev
01 D'Amico
02 Cuylle
02 Foudy
02 Maggio
02 McDonald
03 Johnston
03 Zito
04 Abrham
IF somehow McDonald returns and Corcoran doesn't return then do we see Rupoli, who can play F or D become the 12th F this year? Not betting on Rafkin returning but IF this is how things play out Windsor would have 2x G, 6x D, 12x F with no extra bodies and likely no open spots in camp, a ready made roster that doesn't require spending anymore money on, just a late round draft pick if there's any long term injuries. I'm sure there's a couple of kids in the system who could probably step up and earn a spot but that would require a financial commitment from the org so likely not going to happen.
My guess, barring any future trade requests this is our roster next season with any additions to replace anyone who wants out seeing either a player come back in return or late round picks going out to replace them.
This team doesn't seem to have any direction or plan except maybe waiting for Rychel picks to graduate to be replaced by Bowler picks in the future. That would mean another 2 - 3 years of transitioning through this process with very little attempt to add assets in that time.
A former 2nd round pick with 4G/16A/20P in 77 games over the last two seasons for 2x 2nds and a conditional 5th if he plays an OA year. Betting on all those picks being gone.
I believe the OSH 2nd 2024 should be OSH 2nd 2022, the draft pick database shows NIA having the OSH 2nd 2024. That leaves Windsor with the following on their draft board from now until 2024
| YEAR | RND 1 | RND 2 | RND 3 | RND 4 | RND 5 | RND 6 |
| 2021 | WSR 1ST | BAR 2ND | --- | WSR 4TH FLT 4TH | ERI 5TH | WSR 6TH SSM 6TH |
| 2022 | WSR 1ST | OTT 2ND | WSR 3RD | ERI 4TH | WSR 5TH | WSR 6TH KGN 6TH |
| 2023 | WSR 1ST | OTT 2ND | HAM 3RD (COND) KIT 3RD KNG 3RD | --- | --- | WSR 6TH |
| 2024 | WSR 1ST | --- | BAR 3RD | WSR 4TH | HAM 5TH (COND) | WSR 6TH |
So what does Renwick bring to the table? A two way D with some offensive upside?
At least the D will be set for next season before training camp unless Robinson gets moved.
G (2+1)
02 Medina
04 Downey
02 Tovell signed
D (7+2)
00 Corcoran or 00 Rupoli - Both OAs and Rupoli only returns if Corcoran doesn't.
01 Henault
01 Ladd
02 Robinson
02 Renwick
03 Sobolev - Import
04 De Angelis
02 Rafkin - Import who likely won't be coming back to Windsor but Bowler protected his rights anyway.
03 Jodoin signed
F (11)
00 Angle OA
00 Douglas OA
01 Afanasyev
01 D'Amico
02 Cuylle
02 Foudy
02 Maggio
02 McDonald
03 Johnston
03 Zito
04 Abrham
IF somehow McDonald returns and Corcoran doesn't return then do we see Rupoli, who can play F or D become the 12th F this year? Not betting on Rafkin returning but IF this is how things play out Windsor would have 2x G, 6x D, 12x F with no extra bodies and likely no open spots in camp, a ready made roster that doesn't require spending anymore money on, just a late round draft pick if there's any long term injuries. I'm sure there's a couple of kids in the system who could probably step up and earn a spot but that would require a financial commitment from the org so likely not going to happen.
My guess, barring any future trade requests this is our roster next season with any additions to replace anyone who wants out seeing either a player come back in return or late round picks going out to replace them.
This team doesn't seem to have any direction or plan except maybe waiting for Rychel picks to graduate to be replaced by Bowler picks in the future. That would mean another 2 - 3 years of transitioning through this process with very little attempt to add assets in that time.
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Imho this will be a very telling season. TL ‘s contract is up, who by and how is he replaced or I’m gonna say it, resigned... Rafkin??? Does the sale ive heard so much about happen if this damn COVID shit is gone? If it’s not gone how does that affect the season and the future??? What does the season look like, with BB looking like a puppet for money conscious employers??? These are going to be very important times for this franchise and jr hockey as a whole. Let’s hope an owner group takes this team and returns it to a solid, well thought of franchise.
Worst case scenario is they sign trevor for another year because the savages r too cheap to look elsewhere.
OHLTG
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Why would anyone want to buy a team right now? During this.
They better have a great plan.
Team freight on local kids is the 2nd round pick. If I was an opposing team in the league I would call up Bowler asap offering that kid for a bundle of 2nd round picks. Amazing how quickly those 2nd's disappear. They don't even have enough picks to be creative and make big moves at the deadline.
Could anyone imagine the cost to bring the kid in London back to Windsor if there's any connections?
Hunter would probably clean out Windsor's draft cupboard in one deal.
Hunter would probably clean out Windsor's draft cupboard in one deal.
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I would hope so.
A 1st round pick with more games/production versus a 2nd round pick. Both were traded at the same age so what they've done is comparable and by all accounts Staois is the better player.
My concern is what's the value of Robinson and/or McDonald versus Renwick in a trade? How would they replace them on the roster and what would those costs be if they aren't replaced internally?
OHLTG
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My comment was strictly a notion that, as much as they wanted to poke at Bowler, he did well in the Staios trade. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Agree he did well in that deal, this deal so far seems a bit pricey, we'll see how Renwick does though and hopefully he can justify the cost.
Looking at the Renwick deal does Robinson or McDonald carry higher/lower/similar value to Renwick? Then the cost to replace them affects the return as well.
Staois was basically replaced internally with Robinson. Nice return and no assets to replace him with a prospect even though Robinson wasn't the same level of player.
Renwick is likely a replacement for Corcoran on the roster in case he doesn't return. Obviously not the same level of player right now which is fine but were there prospects who could have provided a similar value without the expense?
Robinson and/or McDonald would require the same questions to be asked. If they are moved is it for an upgraded player with picks going out or will it be for a downgraded player with picks coming back?
punch1943
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I find it difficult to compare the Staios trade and the Renwick trades. I think you should be comparing the Staios trade and the Rychel trade. Both were influenced by Who’s yer daddy?
The thing that bothers me most is the lack of hockey trades that are completed. I‘ave forgotten the last time we traded a player for a player. If Bowler was unable to trade McDonald for a D-man to play 3-4 for the Spits then I suggest perhaps we have an inflated opinion of the value of many of our players.
Just a silly guess but I think Renwick was picked up to play 2-3-4 on this team if Corcoran is gone. If so what value do we expect for...Angle, Corcoran, Douglas. If traded around trading camp.
What value do we put on...Ladd, Henault, Robinson? Just curious... **note I was typing this post and had not seen the post by cfaub..
The thing that bothers me most is the lack of hockey trades that are completed. I‘ave forgotten the last time we traded a player for a player. If Bowler was unable to trade McDonald for a D-man to play 3-4 for the Spits then I suggest perhaps we have an inflated opinion of the value of many of our players.
Just a silly guess but I think Renwick was picked up to play 2-3-4 on this team if Corcoran is gone. If so what value do we expect for...Angle, Corcoran, Douglas. If traded around trading camp.
What value do we put on...Ladd, Henault, Robinson? Just curious... **note I was typing this post and had not seen the post by cfaub..
That makes it all better.... I certainly hope Staois has more value since he was an OHL 1st round pick and the Spits were dealing with Steve Staois. Bless your heart OHLTG.
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