Windsor Spitfires 2019 Offseason Thread (Part 4)

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With less than 2 weeks until the trade window opens back up and training camp coming a few weeks after that I figured I would post what I have in terms of players, picks and conditions and my best guess at a 50 man protected list basing it on U18 players being on a separate list. Can’t guarantee it’s all accurate but it’s the best I’ve been able to come up with.

Picks and Conditions
I know I posted this a couple of days ago but I have updated to add the conditional pick related to the Hunter Carrick deal since he won’t be playing in the league by the looks of it. Windsor has some picks available, the cupboards aren’t completely bare but they certainly aren’t overflowing either. If they were to try to make any significant deals to add they would simply empty the cupboards and be right back where they were a season or two ago and not have enough to make a run. While there is a player or two it would be nice to see them add that really brings something to the team I don’t see it happening unless it is part of a larger deal and Windsor really doesn’t have the high end talent to move out that would return those types of players.

Draft Picks (Only picks from 2020 through 2024 can be traded)
2020 – 1st, FLT 2nd, KIT 4th, OSH 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, GUE 12th, 13th, OTT 14th, WSR 15th
2021 – 1st, LDN 2nd, 4th, ERI 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, BAR 15th, OTT 15th (COND)
2022 – 1st, OTT 2nd, 3rd, ERI 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th
2023 – 1st, OTT 2nd, KIT 3rd, KNG 3rd, 4th ,6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, NIA 15th (COND)
2024 – 1st, KGN 2nd, BAR 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2025 – 1st, KGN 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2026 – 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2027 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2028 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th

Conditions
- OTT 15 2021 tied to unspecified conditions in WIlliam Sirman trade
- WSR 15th 2022 tied to unspecified conditions in Ben Garagan trade
- NIA 15th 2023 becomes a 6th in 2022 if Christian Stevens plays one game for NIA (per Windsor Star)
- KIT 2nd 2024 will become an earlier 2nd if Windsor acquires a 2nd in 2020 or 2021 (per Windsor Star). Cuylle trade. Flint 2nd in 2020 should go to Peterborough and Windsor retains Kitchener 2nd in 2024?
- KGN 2nd 2027 & 2028 will go to Windsor if Gabriel Vilardi returns for the 2018-19 season (per Windsor Star)

Signed and Protected Players
Currently signed or expected to be signed players as well as my best guess at the remainder of the 50 man protected list (48). Counting the U18 draftees separate from the protected list.

Forwards (15)
Ben Garagan – 1999/01/06 – C – L – 5’11” - 180 (OA/Undrafted)
Luke Boka – 1999/0612 – RW – R – 5’11” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Cole Purboo – 1999/06/18 – RW – R – 6’3” – 221 (OA/Undrafted)
Curtis Douglas – 2000/03/06 – C – L – 6’9” – 250 (Drafted Dallas)
Chris Playfair – 2000/05/31 – LW – L – 6’1” – 182 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Tyler Angle – 2000/09/30 – C – L – 5’9” – 168 (Drafted Columbus)
Egor Afanasyev – 2001/01/23 – LW – L – 6’4” – 210 (Drafted Nashville)
Daniel D’Amico – 2001/01/25 – C – L – 5’9” – 178 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jordan Frasca – 2001/07/25 – LW – L – 6’1” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kyle McDonald – 2002/02/05 – RW – R – 6’4” – 186 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Will Cuylle – 2002/05/02 – LW – L – 6’2” – 200 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jean-Luc Foudy – 2002/05/13 – C – R – 5’11” – 163 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Matt Maggio – 2002/11/25 – RW – R – 5’10” – 169 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Wyatt Johnston – 2003/05/14 – C – R – 5’11” – 152 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Zito Pasquale – 2003/06/01 – C – L – 5’11” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Defence (8)
Thomas Stevenson – 1999/10/14 – D – L – 6’2” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Connor Corcoran – 2000/08/07 – D – R – 6’2” – 193 (Drafted Vegas)
Louka Henault – 2001/01/31 – D – L – 6’0” – 178 (Draft Eligible2020)
Grayson Ladd – 2001/03/01 – D – R – 6’1” – 171 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Nathan Staios – 2001/05/17 – D – L – 5’8” – 168 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Ruben Rafkin – 2002/01/08 – RD – R – 6’0” – 188 Import/(Draft Eligible 2020 U of Denver Commit) Expected to be signed by training camp.
Dylan Robinson – 2002/05/03 – D – L – 6’3” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020)
James Jodoin – 2003/02/04 – D – R – 6’3” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Goaltenders (3)
Colton Incze – 1999/01/31 – G – L – 6’2” – 200 – (OA/Undrafted)
Xavier Medina – 2002/01/20 – G – L – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kari Piiroinen – 2001/07/01 – G – L – 6’1” – 176 (Import/Draft Eligible 2020)

2017 Unsigned Draftees (3)
6th RND – WSR – Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Dominick Fensore – 2001/09/07 – LW – L – 5’7” – 154 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Webber – 2001/01/05 – D – L – 6’6” – 194 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)

2018 Unsigned Draftees (11)
4th RND – WSR – McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
7th RND – WSR – Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U)
7th RND – WSR – Tanner Kelly – 2002/05/11 – C – R – 5’6” – 137 (Draft Eligible 2020/Michigan State U)
8th RND – WSR – Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Daniel Botelho – 2002/08/08 – G – L – 5’11” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
12th RND – WSR – Liam Scullion – 2002/06/20 – C – R – 5’11” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Johnny Ulicny – 2002/09/30 – LW – L – 5’8” – 157 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Luke Tuch – 2002/03/07 – LW – L – 6’1” – 196 (Draft Eligible 2020/Boston U)
14th RND – WSR – Aleksa Babic – 2002/08/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 148 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – William (Hunter) McKown – 2002/08/18 – RW – R – 6’0” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 Unsigned Draftees (10)
5th RND – WSR – Isa Parekh – 2003/09/27 – D – R – 5’10” – 134 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
6th RND – WSR – Max Donohoe – 2003/01/11 – LW – L – 6’1” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Ben Felicitti – 2003/04/03 – RW – R – 5’11” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
9th RND – WSR – Zak Kruszewski – 2003/09/18 – D – R – 6’1” – 203 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Ty MacDonald – 2003/08/27 – C – R – 5’11” – 146 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Justin Brown – 2003/04/07 – C – R – 5’9” – 159 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Sutter Muzzatti – 2003/06/28 – C – L – 6’3” – 192 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
14th RND – WSR – Shaun Horne – 2003/01/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 139 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – Ethan Straky – 2003/04/18 – D – R – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2021/Notre Dame Commit)
15th RND – WSR – James Doyle – 2003/04/22 – RW – R – 6’1” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

2018 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Eli Shiller – 2001/07/10 – G – L – 6’0” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Arthur Wang – 2002/03/11 – D – L – 6’0” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Aydin Parekh – 2002/01/05 – D – L – 5’9” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
2nd RND – WSR – Matthew Tovell – 2002/01/24 – G – L – 6’2” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Eric Vitale – 2002/10/20 – D – L – 6’2” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

Potential Trades/Released Players
These are only my opinions but ones that could make sense depending on who shows/makes the roster out of camp.

Ben Garagan – Undrafted OA who is likely to be released if no trade can be found for him. The only way I see him here is if Boka and/or Purboo were to be dealt before the season started or there is a deal in the works that would be finalized very early in the season. I can’t see a card being spent to have him sit and wait until the deadline so best guess is he is not likely to even be here come training camp.

Chris Playfair – I can’t see him remaining with the team this season. He took a step back last year and whuile he had an injury that was part of the problem he struggled early in the year and never got going very much throughout the year. We have enough inconsistent players here already. I think a deal that brings back a mid or late round pick can be had but he has been surpassed by all the kids and likely all the 03s coming in will do the same. He’s a fourth line player on this team even including the 03 kids and could go to a rebuilding team that doesn’t have the assets to add older depth.

Daniel D’Amico – I don’t expect to see him moved but he is one who could be on the bubble by mid season if he shows signs of inconsistency coming back into his game. He will start the season here but if he struggles and starts to drop down the line up I could see a reason to move him. Could return a 3rd + in a deal and again, like Playfair would go to a rebuilding team to add middle six ability to a young, rebuilding roster.

Jordan Frasca – Would hate to see him go but Letowski has stalled his development and taken him from a middle six potential forward to a fourth line forward. With Johnston coming up if he develops well early he will be moving up the roster leaving Frasca on the outside looking in. He should be able to return a 4th round pick or so and would thrive in a middle six role on a young, rebuilding team. He will never be a to line player but he can be more then he will be given the chance to be here in Windsor.

Thomas Stevenson – I think he will be given every chance to be here this year but as an OA his future here will depend on a number of things. He needs to provide more value than he would return when compared to the thought of bringing in an OA D from elsewhere. I don’t think Windsor should be spending the assets needed to upgrade, depending on who comes out of training camp. He will never be more than a 3rd pairing/7th D this season so it will be tough to justify keeping him. A late mid round/late round pick is all that would likely come back if he were dealt.

Louka Henault – I don’t expect Henault to be dealt unless there are some surprises at camp or a deal to bring in an upgrade on D. He showed improvement last season and while he still needs to continue that improvement he could have some value as part of a bigger deal to bring someone else in. I think, as it stands at least he will be here this year barring any surprises.

Nathan Staios – This is a tough one. Not his biggest fan and with the rumours/speculation around the deadline that he would not be opposed to a trade I think it becomes possible he does get dealt. Like Henault it becomes a question of who comes out of camp and what role he would have after that determines his fate unless of course he were to request a trade. He would probably provide the most value on this list if he were dealt and could offset much of the cost if he were part of a larger deal.

Colton Incze – I expect him to be here to start training camp and if Medina and Piiroinen show they can be a solid tandem then he will be dealt before the season starts. A number of teams could use a backup goaltender with experience, even an OA and hopefully he could return something similar to what Windsor gave up for him, a 4th. Doubt they get that but a 5th to a 7th wo0uld be decent.

Who Comes Out Of Camp?
Looking at who could potentially come out of camp, provided they are there will determine who all gets moved. Some speculation/comments last season about some players and contract expectations being the reason they weren’t on the team but in some instances where they are not NHL drafted and don’t have NCAA commits it’s time to decide if a normal education package plus the paid schooling while they play is worth more than not reporting at all and sticking with JR. B or Tier II or retiring from the game and paying their own education at this point. Obviously any of the higher end flyers should they be willing report would change a lot in terms of who gets moved and who has a shot at camp but the following five are those who I think based on discussions on here etc have a chance should they report. I don’t think any of the 03s that haven’t been signed will be ready to jump in this year but there are a couple who could be close.

Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – It was speculated he could make the team last year but the education package was a sticking point. Is he still a possibility? He would slot in on the 4th line to start with the potential to move up to the 3rd line depending how he and others progressed. He could also make Purboo and/or Boka expendable to return assets to stockpile for the future. He would not likely replace Purboo’s scoring but wouldn’t be expected to either. He would be a value move that could improve the 4th line while maximizing Purboo’s value in a deal instead of seeing him drop down the line up in a reduced role as I think we will see as the season progresses unless he were to have a Luchuk type year which I don’t see happening.

McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – Another kid who could have a shot at the roster if he has progressed. Again we are likely looking at 3rd/4th line potential but allows value by replacing some of the older players who could be dealt for assets to stockpile for the future.

Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U) – I think he is the biggest question mark at this point in terms of players who were thought they may show but didn’t show up last year. He has an NCAA commit so getting him to report would take a solid offer from Windsor but with the changes and chaos of the last few months does that end up helping Windsor’s case with Rychel out of the picture or has it soured him completely? Probably the biggest of those who were thought could potentially report beyond the obvious flyer picks. If he reported than with him and Rafkin in the line up this is where the potential for dealing Staois and/or Henault comes into play. Both would be upgrades on the two of them so both could become trade bait to add elsewhere.

Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – I’ve heard him mentioned as someone who had the potential to crack the D this year. He would obviously start on the bottom pairing but between him and Jodoin, if he shows he is ready they can solidify the right side of the D and push Corcoran and Ladd ahead of them either improving their game or making one expendable at the deadline.

Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – He’s been mentioned in the past as someone who could possibly be here this season. From what I understand he has middle six potential so start on the third line and prove himself from there. He’s an American currently with no NCAA commitment so it comes down to does he hang on this year and try to get a commit or push for a better education from Windsor or does he show up and sign if he earns it?

I don’t know who Windsor would target in potential trades that could bring players in, I have a couple of players in mind I would like to see based on their age and expectations of their skill level but the cost would exceed what I would want to see Windsor spend unless of course bigger deals could be made with the extras it would cost Windsor coming from assets acquired in separate deals. No, I’m not expecting all listed to be dealt or to show up and make the team, just some thoughts on who I feel couold be dealt for various reason or make the team. In many cases each is reliant on something from each list happening.

Thoughts? Corrections? Roster projections?
 
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With less than 2 weeks until the trade window opens back up and training camp coming a few weeks after that I figured I would post what I have in terms of players, picks and conditions and my best guess at a 50 man protected list basing it on U18 players being on a separate list. Can’t guarantee it’s all accurate but it’s the best I’ve been able to come up with.

Picks and Conditions
I know I posted this a couple of days ago but I have updated to add the conditional pick related to the Hunter Carrick deal since he won’t be playing in the league by the looks of it. Windsor has some picks available, the cupboards aren’t completely bare but they certainly aren’t overflowing either. If they were to try to make any significant deals to add they would simply empty the cupboards and be right back where they were a season or two ago and not have enough to make a run. While there is a player or two it would be nice to see them add that really brings something to the team I don’t see it happening unless it is part of a larger deal and Windsor really doesn’t have the high end talent to move out that would return those types of players.

Draft Picks (Only picks from 2020 through 2024 can be traded)
2020 – 1st, FLT 2nd, KIT 4th, OSH 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, GUE 12th, 13th, OTT 14th, WSR 15th
2021 – 1st, LDN 2nd, 4th, ERI 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, BAR 15th, OTT 15th (COND)
2022 – 1st, OTT 2nd, 3rd, ERI 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th
2023 – 1st, OTT 2nd, KIT 3rd, KNG 3rd, 4th ,6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, NIA 15th (COND)
2024 – 1st, KGN 2nd, BAR 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2025 – 1st, KGN 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2026 – 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2027 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2028 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th

Conditions
- OTT 15 2021 tied to unspecified conditions in WIlliam Sirman trade
- WSR 15th 2022 tied to unspecified conditions in Ben Garagan trade
- NIA 15th 2023 becomes a 6th in 2022 if Christian Stevens plays one game for NIA (per Windsor Star)
- KIT 2nd 2024 will become an earlier 2nd if Windsor acquires a 2nd in 2020 or 2021 (per Windsor Star). Cuylle trade. Flint 2nd in 2020 should go to Peterborough and Windsor retains Kitchener 2nd in 2024?
- KGN 2nd 2027 & 2028 will go to Windsor if Gabriel Vilardi returns for the 2018-19 season (per Windsor Star)

Signed and Protected Players
Currently signed or expected to be signed players as well as my best guess at the remainder of the 50 man protected list (48). Counting the U18 draftees separate from the protected list.

Forwards (15)
Ben Garagan – 1999/01/06 – C – L – 5’11” - 180 (OA/Undrafted)
Luke Boka – 1999/0612 – RW – R – 5’11” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Cole Purboo – 1999/06/18 – RW – R – 6’3” – 221 (OA/Undrafted)
Curtis Douglas – 2000/03/06 – C – L – 6’9” – 250 (Drafted Dallas)
Chris Playfair – 2000/05/31 – LW – L – 6’1” – 182 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Tyler Angle – 2000/09/30 – C – L – 5’9” – 168 (Drafted Columbus)
Egor Afanasyev – 2001/01/23 – LW – L – 6’4” – 210 (Drafted Nashville)
Daniel D’Amico – 2001/01/25 – C – L – 5’9” – 178 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jordan Frasca – 2001/07/25 – LW – L – 6’1” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kyle McDonald – 2002/02/05 – RW – R – 6’4” – 186 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Will Cuylle – 2002/05/02 – LW – L – 6’2” – 200 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jean-Luc Foudy – 2002/05/13 – C – R – 5’11” – 163 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Matt Maggio – 2002/11/25 – RW – R – 5’10” – 169 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Wyatt Johnston – 2003/05/14 – C – R – 5’11” – 152 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Zito Pasquale – 2003/06/01 – C – L – 5’11” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Defence (8)
Thomas Stevenson – 1999/10/14 – D – L – 6’2” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Connor Corcoran – 2000/08/07 – D – R – 6’2” – 193 (Drafted Vegas)
Louka Henault – 2001/01/31 – D – L – 6’0” – 178 (Draft Eligible2020)
Grayson Ladd – 2001/03/01 – D – R – 6’1” – 171 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Nathan Staios – 2001/05/17 – D – L – 5’8” – 168 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Ruben Rafkin – 2002/01/08 – RD – R – 6’0” – 188 Import/(Draft Eligible 2020 U of Denver Commit) Expected to be signed by training camp.
Dylan Robinson – 2002/05/03 – D – L – 6’3” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020)
James Jodoin – 2003/02/04 – D – R – 6’3” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Goaltenders (3)
Colton Incze – 1999/01/31 – G – L – 6’2” – 200 – (OA/Undrafted)
Xavier Medina – 2002/01/20 – G – L – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kari Piiroinen – 2001/07/01 – G – L – 6’1” – 176 (Import/Draft Eligible 2020)

2017 Unsigned Draftees (3)
6th RND – WSR – Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Dominick Fensore – 2001/09/07 – LW – L – 5’7” – 154 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Webber – 2001/01/05 – D – L – 6’6” – 194 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)

2018 Unsigned Draftees (11)
4th RND – WSR – McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
7th RND – WSR – Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U)
7th RND – WSR – Tanner Kelly – 2002/05/11 – C – R – 5’6” – 137 (Draft Eligible 2020/Michigan State U)
8th RND – WSR – Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Daniel Botelho – 2002/08/08 – G – L – 5’11” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
12th RND – WSR – Liam Scullion – 2002/06/20 – C – R – 5’11” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Johnny Ulicny – 2002/09/30 – LW – L – 5’8” – 157 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Luke Tuch – 2002/03/07 – LW – L – 6’1” – 196 (Draft Eligible 2020/Boston U)
14th RND – WSR – Aleksa Babic – 2002/08/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 148 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – William (Hunter) McKown – 2002/08/18 – RW – R – 6’0” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 Unsigned Draftees (10)
5th RND – WSR – Isa Parekh – 2003/09/27 – D – R – 5’10” – 134 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
6th RND – WSR – Max Donohoe – 2003/01/11 – LW – L – 6’1” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Ben Felicitti – 2003/04/03 – RW – R – 5’11” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
9th RND – WSR – Zak Kruszewski – 2003/09/18 – D – R – 6’1” – 203 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Ty MacDonald – 2003/08/27 – C – R – 5’11” – 146 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Justin Brown – 2003/04/07 – C – R – 5’9” – 159 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Sutter Muzzatti – 2003/06/28 – C – L – 6’3” – 192 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
14th RND – WSR – Shaun Horne – 2003/01/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 139 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – Ethan Straky – 2003/04/18 – D – R – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2021/Notre Dame Commit)
15th RND – WSR – James Doyle – 2003/04/22 – RW – R – 6’1” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

2018 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Eli Shiller – 2001/07/10 – G – L – 6’0” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Arthur Wang – 2002/03/11 – D – L – 6’0” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Aydin Parekh – 2002/01/05 – D – L – 5’9” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
2nd RND – WSR – Matthew Tovell – 2002/01/24 – G – L – 6’2” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Eric Vitale – 2002/10/20 – D – L – 6’2” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

Potential Trades/Released Players
These are only my opinions but ones that could make sense depending on who shows/makes the roster out of camp.

Ben Garagan – Undrafted OA who is likely to be released if no trade can be found for him. The only way I see him here is if Boka and/or Purboo were to be dealt before the season started or there is a deal in the works that would be finalized very early in the season. I can’t see a card being spent to have him sit and wait until the deadline so best guess is he is not likely to even be here come training camp.

Chris Playfair – I can’t see him remaining with the team this season. He took a step back last year and whuile he had an injury that was part of the problem he struggled early in the year and never got going very much throughout the year. We have enough inconsistent players here already. I think a deal that brings back a mid or late round pick can be had but he has been surpassed by all the kids and likely all the 03s coming in will do the same. He’s a fourth line player on this team even including the 03 kids and could go to a rebuilding team that doesn’t have the assets to add older depth.

Daniel D’Amico – I don’t expect to see him moved but he is one who could be on the bubble by mid season if he shows signs of inconsistency coming back into his game. He will start the season here but if he struggles and starts to drop down the line up I could see a reason to move him. Could return a 3rd + in a deal and again, like Playfair would go to a rebuilding team to add middle six ability to a young, rebuilding roster.

Jordan Frasca – Would hate to see him go but Letowski has stalled his development and taken him from a middle six potential forward to a fourth line forward. With Johnston coming up if he develops well early he will be moving up the roster leaving Frasca on the outside looking in. He should be able to return a 4th round pick or so and would thrive in a middle six role on a young, rebuilding team. He will never be a to line player but he can be more then he will be given the chance to be here in Windsor.

Thomas Stevenson – I think he will be given every chance to be here this year but as an OA his future here will depend on a number of things. He needs to provide more value than he would return when compared to the thought of bringing in an OA D from elsewhere. I don’t think Windsor should be spending the assets needed to upgrade, depending on who comes out of training camp. He will never be more than a 3rd pairing/7th D this season so it will be tough to justify keeping him. A late mid round/late round pick is all that would likely come back if he were dealt.

Louka Henault – I don’t expect Henault to be dealt unless there are some surprises at camp or a deal to bring in an upgrade on D. He showed improvement last season and while he still needs to continue that improvement he could have some value as part of a bigger deal to bring someone else in. I think, as it stands at least he will be here this year barring any surprises.

Nathan Staios – This is a tough one. Not his biggest fan and with the rumours/speculation around the deadline that he would not be opposed to a trade I think it becomes possible he does get dealt. Like Henault it becomes a question of who comes out of camp and what role he would have after that determines his fate unless of course he were to request a trade. He would probably provide the most value on this list if he were dealt and could offset much of the cost if he were part of a larger deal.

Colton Incze – I expect him to be here to start training camp and if Medina and Piiroinen show they can be a solid tandem then he will be dealt before the season starts. A number of teams could use a backup goaltender with experience, even an OA and hopefully he could return something similar to what Windsor gave up for him, a 4th. Doubt they get that but a 5th to a 7th wo0uld be decent.

Who Comes Out Of Camp?
Looking at who could potentially come out of camp, provided they are there will determine who all gets moved. Some speculation/comments last season about some players and contract expectations being the reason they weren’t on the team but in some instances where they are not NHL drafted and don’t have NCAA commits it’s time to decide if a normal education package plus the paid schooling while they play is worth more than not reporting at all and sticking with JR. B or Tier II or retiring from the game and paying their own education at this point. Obviously any of the higher end flyers should they be willing report would change a lot in terms of who gets moved and who has a shot at camp but the following five are those who I think based on discussions on here etc have a chance should they report. I don’t think any of the 03s that haven’t been signed will be ready to jump in this year but there are a couple who could be close.

Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – It was speculated he could make the team last year but the education package was a sticking point. Is he still a possibility? He would slot in on the 4th line to start with the potential to move up to the 3rd line depending how he and others progressed. He could also make Purboo and/or Boka expendable to return assets to stockpile for the future. He would not likely replace Purboo’s scoring but wouldn’t be expected to either. He would be a value move that could improve the 4th line while maximizing Purboo’s value in a deal instead of seeing him drop down the line up in a reduced role as I think we will see as the season progresses unless he were to have a Luchuk type year which I don’t see happening.

McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – Another kid who could have a shot at the roster if he has progressed. Again we are likely looking at 3rd/4th line potential but allows value by replacing some of the older players who could be dealt for assets to stockpile for the future.

Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U) – I think he is the biggest question mark at this point in terms of players who were thought they may show but didn’t show up last year. He has an NCAA commit so getting him to report would take a solid offer from Windsor but with the changes and chaos of the last few months does that end up helping Windsor’s case with Rychel out of the picture or has it soured him completely? Probably the biggest of those who were thought could potentially report beyond the obvious flyer picks. If he reported than with him and Rafkin in the line up this is where the potential for dealing Staois and/or Henault comes into play. Both would be upgrades on the two of them so both could become trade bait to add elsewhere.

Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – I’ve heard him mentioned as someone who had the potential to crack the D this year. He would obviously start on the bottom pairing but between him and Jodoin, if he shows he is ready they can solidify the right side of the D and push Corcoran and Ladd ahead of them either improving their game or making one expendable at the deadline.

Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – He’s been mentioned in the past as someone who could possibly be here this season. From what I understand he has middle six potential so start on the third line and prove himself from there. He’s an American currently with no NCAA commitment so it comes down to does he hang on this year and try to get a commit or push for a better education from Windsor or does he show up and sign if he earns it?

I don’t know who Windsor would target in potential trades that could bring players in, I have a couple of players in mind I would like to see based on their age and expectations of their skill level but the cost would exceed what I would want to see Windsor spend unless of course bigger deals could be made with the extras it would cost Windsor coming from assets acquired in separate deals. No, I’m not expecting all listed to be dealt or to show up and make the team, just some thoughts on who I feel couold be dealt for various reason or make the team. In many cases each is reliant on something from each list happening.

Thoughts? Corrections? Roster projections?
Very solid post. Certainly worth coming in out of the shadows to comment on. Will spend some time digesting it before I do.
 
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With less than 2 weeks until the trade window opens back up and training camp coming a few weeks after that I figured I would post what I have in terms of players, picks and conditions and my best guess at a 50 man protected list basing it on U18 players being on a separate list. Can’t guarantee it’s all accurate but it’s the best I’ve been able to come up with.

Picks and Conditions
I know I posted this a couple of days ago but I have updated to add the conditional pick related to the Hunter Carrick deal since he won’t be playing in the league by the looks of it. Windsor has some picks available, the cupboards aren’t completely bare but they certainly aren’t overflowing either. If they were to try to make any significant deals to add they would simply empty the cupboards and be right back where they were a season or two ago and not have enough to make a run. While there is a player or two it would be nice to see them add that really brings something to the team I don’t see it happening unless it is part of a larger deal and Windsor really doesn’t have the high end talent to move out that would return those types of players.

Draft Picks (Only picks from 2020 through 2024 can be traded)
2020 – 1st, FLT 2nd, KIT 4th, OSH 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, GUE 12th, 13th, OTT 14th, WSR 15th
2021 – 1st, LDN 2nd, 4th, ERI 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, BAR 15th, OTT 15th (COND)
2022 – 1st, OTT 2nd, 3rd, ERI 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th
2023 – 1st, OTT 2nd, KIT 3rd, KNG 3rd, 4th ,6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, NIA 15th (COND)
2024 – 1st, KGN 2nd, BAR 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2025 – 1st, KGN 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2026 – 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2027 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2028 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th

Conditions
- OTT 15 2021 tied to unspecified conditions in WIlliam Sirman trade
- WSR 15th 2022 tied to unspecified conditions in Ben Garagan trade
- NIA 15th 2023 becomes a 6th in 2022 if Christian Stevens plays one game for NIA (per Windsor Star)
- KIT 2nd 2024 will become an earlier 2nd if Windsor acquires a 2nd in 2020 or 2021 (per Windsor Star). Cuylle trade. Flint 2nd in 2020 should go to Peterborough and Windsor retains Kitchener 2nd in 2024?
- KGN 2nd 2027 & 2028 will go to Windsor if Gabriel Vilardi returns for the 2018-19 season (per Windsor Star)

Signed and Protected Players
Currently signed or expected to be signed players as well as my best guess at the remainder of the 50 man protected list (48). Counting the U18 draftees separate from the protected list.

Forwards (15)
Ben Garagan – 1999/01/06 – C – L – 5’11” - 180 (OA/Undrafted)
Luke Boka – 1999/0612 – RW – R – 5’11” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Cole Purboo – 1999/06/18 – RW – R – 6’3” – 221 (OA/Undrafted)
Curtis Douglas – 2000/03/06 – C – L – 6’9” – 250 (Drafted Dallas)
Chris Playfair – 2000/05/31 – LW – L – 6’1” – 182 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Tyler Angle – 2000/09/30 – C – L – 5’9” – 168 (Drafted Columbus)
Egor Afanasyev – 2001/01/23 – LW – L – 6’4” – 210 (Drafted Nashville)
Daniel D’Amico – 2001/01/25 – C – L – 5’9” – 178 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jordan Frasca – 2001/07/25 – LW – L – 6’1” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kyle McDonald – 2002/02/05 – RW – R – 6’4” – 186 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Will Cuylle – 2002/05/02 – LW – L – 6’2” – 200 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jean-Luc Foudy – 2002/05/13 – C – R – 5’11” – 163 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Matt Maggio – 2002/11/25 – RW – R – 5’10” – 169 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Wyatt Johnston – 2003/05/14 – C – R – 5’11” – 152 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Zito Pasquale – 2003/06/01 – C – L – 5’11” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Defence (8)
Thomas Stevenson – 1999/10/14 – D – L – 6’2” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Connor Corcoran – 2000/08/07 – D – R – 6’2” – 193 (Drafted Vegas)
Louka Henault – 2001/01/31 – D – L – 6’0” – 178 (Draft Eligible2020)
Grayson Ladd – 2001/03/01 – D – R – 6’1” – 171 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Nathan Staios – 2001/05/17 – D – L – 5’8” – 168 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Ruben Rafkin – 2002/01/08 – RD – R – 6’0” – 188 Import/(Draft Eligible 2020 U of Denver Commit) Expected to be signed by training camp.
Dylan Robinson – 2002/05/03 – D – L – 6’3” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020)
James Jodoin – 2003/02/04 – D – R – 6’3” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Goaltenders (3)
Colton Incze – 1999/01/31 – G – L – 6’2” – 200 – (OA/Undrafted)
Xavier Medina – 2002/01/20 – G – L – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kari Piiroinen – 2001/07/01 – G – L – 6’1” – 176 (Import/Draft Eligible 2020)

2017 Unsigned Draftees (3)
6th RND – WSR – Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Dominick Fensore – 2001/09/07 – LW – L – 5’7” – 154 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Webber – 2001/01/05 – D – L – 6’6” – 194 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)

2018 Unsigned Draftees (11)
4th RND – WSR – McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
7th RND – WSR – Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U)
7th RND – WSR – Tanner Kelly – 2002/05/11 – C – R – 5’6” – 137 (Draft Eligible 2020/Michigan State U)
8th RND – WSR – Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Daniel Botelho – 2002/08/08 – G – L – 5’11” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
12th RND – WSR – Liam Scullion – 2002/06/20 – C – R – 5’11” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Johnny Ulicny – 2002/09/30 – LW – L – 5’8” – 157 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Luke Tuch – 2002/03/07 – LW – L – 6’1” – 196 (Draft Eligible 2020/Boston U)
14th RND – WSR – Aleksa Babic – 2002/08/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 148 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – William (Hunter) McKown – 2002/08/18 – RW – R – 6’0” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 Unsigned Draftees (10)
5th RND – WSR – Isa Parekh – 2003/09/27 – D – R – 5’10” – 134 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
6th RND – WSR – Max Donohoe – 2003/01/11 – LW – L – 6’1” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Ben Felicitti – 2003/04/03 – RW – R – 5’11” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
9th RND – WSR – Zak Kruszewski – 2003/09/18 – D – R – 6’1” – 203 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Ty MacDonald – 2003/08/27 – C – R – 5’11” – 146 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Justin Brown – 2003/04/07 – C – R – 5’9” – 159 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Sutter Muzzatti – 2003/06/28 – C – L – 6’3” – 192 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
14th RND – WSR – Shaun Horne – 2003/01/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 139 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – Ethan Straky – 2003/04/18 – D – R – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2021/Notre Dame Commit)
15th RND – WSR – James Doyle – 2003/04/22 – RW – R – 6’1” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

2018 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Eli Shiller – 2001/07/10 – G – L – 6’0” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Arthur Wang – 2002/03/11 – D – L – 6’0” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Aydin Parekh – 2002/01/05 – D – L – 5’9” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
2nd RND – WSR – Matthew Tovell – 2002/01/24 – G – L – 6’2” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Eric Vitale – 2002/10/20 – D – L – 6’2” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

Potential Trades/Released Players
These are only my opinions but ones that could make sense depending on who shows/makes the roster out of camp.

Ben Garagan – Undrafted OA who is likely to be released if no trade can be found for him. The only way I see him here is if Boka and/or Purboo were to be dealt before the season started or there is a deal in the works that would be finalized very early in the season. I can’t see a card being spent to have him sit and wait until the deadline so best guess is he is not likely to even be here come training camp.

Chris Playfair – I can’t see him remaining with the team this season. He took a step back last year and whuile he had an injury that was part of the problem he struggled early in the year and never got going very much throughout the year. We have enough inconsistent players here already. I think a deal that brings back a mid or late round pick can be had but he has been surpassed by all the kids and likely all the 03s coming in will do the same. He’s a fourth line player on this team even including the 03 kids and could go to a rebuilding team that doesn’t have the assets to add older depth.

Daniel D’Amico – I don’t expect to see him moved but he is one who could be on the bubble by mid season if he shows signs of inconsistency coming back into his game. He will start the season here but if he struggles and starts to drop down the line up I could see a reason to move him. Could return a 3rd + in a deal and again, like Playfair would go to a rebuilding team to add middle six ability to a young, rebuilding roster.

Jordan Frasca – Would hate to see him go but Letowski has stalled his development and taken him from a middle six potential forward to a fourth line forward. With Johnston coming up if he develops well early he will be moving up the roster leaving Frasca on the outside looking in. He should be able to return a 4th round pick or so and would thrive in a middle six role on a young, rebuilding team. He will never be a to line player but he can be more then he will be given the chance to be here in Windsor.

Thomas Stevenson – I think he will be given every chance to be here this year but as an OA his future here will depend on a number of things. He needs to provide more value than he would return when compared to the thought of bringing in an OA D from elsewhere. I don’t think Windsor should be spending the assets needed to upgrade, depending on who comes out of training camp. He will never be more than a 3rd pairing/7th D this season so it will be tough to justify keeping him. A late mid round/late round pick is all that would likely come back if he were dealt.

Louka Henault – I don’t expect Henault to be dealt unless there are some surprises at camp or a deal to bring in an upgrade on D. He showed improvement last season and while he still needs to continue that improvement he could have some value as part of a bigger deal to bring someone else in. I think, as it stands at least he will be here this year barring any surprises.

Nathan Staios – This is a tough one. Not his biggest fan and with the rumours/speculation around the deadline that he would not be opposed to a trade I think it becomes possible he does get dealt. Like Henault it becomes a question of who comes out of camp and what role he would have after that determines his fate unless of course he were to request a trade. He would probably provide the most value on this list if he were dealt and could offset much of the cost if he were part of a larger deal.

Colton Incze – I expect him to be here to start training camp and if Medina and Piiroinen show they can be a solid tandem then he will be dealt before the season starts. A number of teams could use a backup goaltender with experience, even an OA and hopefully he could return something similar to what Windsor gave up for him, a 4th. Doubt they get that but a 5th to a 7th wo0uld be decent.

Who Comes Out Of Camp?
Looking at who could potentially come out of camp, provided they are there will determine who all gets moved. Some speculation/comments last season about some players and contract expectations being the reason they weren’t on the team but in some instances where they are not NHL drafted and don’t have NCAA commits it’s time to decide if a normal education package plus the paid schooling while they play is worth more than not reporting at all and sticking with JR. B or Tier II or retiring from the game and paying their own education at this point. Obviously any of the higher end flyers should they be willing report would change a lot in terms of who gets moved and who has a shot at camp but the following five are those who I think based on discussions on here etc have a chance should they report. I don’t think any of the 03s that haven’t been signed will be ready to jump in this year but there are a couple who could be close.

Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – It was speculated he could make the team last year but the education package was a sticking point. Is he still a possibility? He would slot in on the 4th line to start with the potential to move up to the 3rd line depending how he and others progressed. He could also make Purboo and/or Boka expendable to return assets to stockpile for the future. He would not likely replace Purboo’s scoring but wouldn’t be expected to either. He would be a value move that could improve the 4th line while maximizing Purboo’s value in a deal instead of seeing him drop down the line up in a reduced role as I think we will see as the season progresses unless he were to have a Luchuk type year which I don’t see happening.

McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – Another kid who could have a shot at the roster if he has progressed. Again we are likely looking at 3rd/4th line potential but allows value by replacing some of the older players who could be dealt for assets to stockpile for the future.

Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U) – I think he is the biggest question mark at this point in terms of players who were thought they may show but didn’t show up last year. He has an NCAA commit so getting him to report would take a solid offer from Windsor but with the changes and chaos of the last few months does that end up helping Windsor’s case with Rychel out of the picture or has it soured him completely? Probably the biggest of those who were thought could potentially report beyond the obvious flyer picks. If he reported than with him and Rafkin in the line up this is where the potential for dealing Staois and/or Henault comes into play. Both would be upgrades on the two of them so both could become trade bait to add elsewhere.

Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – I’ve heard him mentioned as someone who had the potential to crack the D this year. He would obviously start on the bottom pairing but between him and Jodoin, if he shows he is ready they can solidify the right side of the D and push Corcoran and Ladd ahead of them either improving their game or making one expendable at the deadline.

Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – He’s been mentioned in the past as someone who could possibly be here this season. From what I understand he has middle six potential so start on the third line and prove himself from there. He’s an American currently with no NCAA commitment so it comes down to does he hang on this year and try to get a commit or push for a better education from Windsor or does he show up and sign if he earns it?

I don’t know who Windsor would target in potential trades that could bring players in, I have a couple of players in mind I would like to see based on their age and expectations of their skill level but the cost would exceed what I would want to see Windsor spend unless of course bigger deals could be made with the extras it would cost Windsor coming from assets acquired in separate deals. No, I’m not expecting all listed to be dealt or to show up and make the team, just some thoughts on who I feel couold be dealt for various reason or make the team. In many cases each is reliant on something from each list happening.

Thoughts? Corrections? Roster projections?
Just a guess but I could see a market for Incze this year - seems to be a shortage of goalies this year and Incze played well enough to share a starting role with a team needing a decent goalie. Don't let the numbers fool you he was let down many times defensively so with a better team in front of him he would be a quality starter. I would at least like to see the 4th back as you suggested but that is a fair return for him at this point. Not sure if he is considering CIS or returning to the OHL but we will hear shortly I hope.

Garagan - Not really seeing any scenario that he would fit with the Spits or another team looking for an OA. I'm sure that he will play CIS or possibly a pro spot here or in Europe.
 

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Very solid post. Certainly worth coming in out of the shadows to comment on. Will spend some time digesting it before I do.

A lot digest.

Good to see you out of the shadows, looking forward to your thoughts.
 

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Just a guess but I could see a market for Incze this year - seems to be a shortage of goalies this year and Incze played well enough to share a starting role with a team needing a decent goalie. Don't let the numbers fool you he was let down many times defensively so with a better team in front of him he would be a quality starter. I would at least like to see the 4th back as you suggested but that is a fair return for him at this point. Not sure if he is considering CIS or returning to the OHL but we will hear shortly I hope.

Garagan - Not really seeing any scenario that he would fit with the Spits or another team looking for an OA. I'm sure that he will play CIS or possibly a pro spot here or in Europe.

Agree on both accounts. Garagan will be tough to move but Incze should carry decent value for an OA goaltender.
 

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I'm here, going through the post; lots to take in haha

Garagan - I don't see him returning unless they're forced. He had a chance to do something last season and didn't.

Playfair - I see him returning because of the injuries last season. He didn't have a true chance to show his stuff. In fact, I'm mildly surprised he even played in the second half.

Stevenson - Completely depends on who's in camp, defensively. While he's fairly reliable, he doesn't bring serious value in any one areas.

Incze - I think Piiroinen and Medina will be given the ball to run with. I don't see Incze coming back, even for camp. That said, he'll likely be in camp just because I said this. If we can get a mid-round pick for him, I'm all for it. The kid has talent and showed it in flashes.

Prospects wise, I want to see Evans and Lemmer get a shot. Do what's necessary to get them here; both could be huge additions.

We also can't forget about Maggio, who is likely to take up a spot.
 

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I'm here, going through the post; lots to take in haha

Garagan - I don't see him returning unless they're forced. He had a chance to do something last season and didn't.

Playfair - I see him returning because of the injuries last season. He didn't have a true chance to show his stuff. In fact, I'm mildly surprised he even played in the second half.

Stevenson - Completely depends on who's in camp, defensively. While he's fairly reliable, he doesn't bring serious value in any one areas.

Incze - I think Piiroinen and Medina will be given the ball to run with. I don't see Incze coming back, even for camp. That said, he'll likely be in camp just because I said this. If we can get a mid-round pick for him, I'm all for it. The kid has talent and showed it in flashes.

Prospects wise, I want to see Evans and Lemmer get a shot. Do what's necessary to get them here; both could be huge additions.

We also can't forget about Maggio, who is likely to take up a spot.

Lots to take in and lots of ways to get the conversation focused on something other than the front office activities.

Did all this just for you.

Playfair has been passed by others already here and likely blocks a kid if he plays on the fourth line. I would prefer Frasca over him but even he is being passed by others.

Playfair has value on a team but doesn't fit the situation in Windsor. Middle six on a team behind Windsor in the process or fourth line on a team a step ahead.

Incze came in and played slightly above expectations. As ohloutsiders said, the team in front played a big part in his numbers. He's reliable but not spectacular. Pair with a youngster or back up to an 01 who is just rounding into form and you end up with a reliable vet who will win a couple, lose a couple but for the most part be steady.

Maggio probably starts on the third line but given every chance to move up into the top six along with PP time as the season progresses.
 

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With less than 2 weeks until the trade window opens back up and training camp coming a few weeks after that I figured I would post what I have in terms of players, picks and conditions and my best guess at a 50 man protected list basing it on U18 players being on a separate list. Can’t guarantee it’s all accurate but it’s the best I’ve been able to come up with.

Picks and Conditions
I know I posted this a couple of days ago but I have updated to add the conditional pick related to the Hunter Carrick deal since he won’t be playing in the league by the looks of it. Windsor has some picks available, the cupboards aren’t completely bare but they certainly aren’t overflowing either. If they were to try to make any significant deals to add they would simply empty the cupboards and be right back where they were a season or two ago and not have enough to make a run. While there is a player or two it would be nice to see them add that really brings something to the team I don’t see it happening unless it is part of a larger deal and Windsor really doesn’t have the high end talent to move out that would return those types of players.

Draft Picks (Only picks from 2020 through 2024 can be traded)
2020 – 1st, FLT 2nd, KIT 4th, OSH 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, GUE 12th, 13th, OTT 14th, WSR 15th
2021 – 1st, LDN 2nd, 4th, ERI 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, BAR 15th, OTT 15th (COND)
2022 – 1st, OTT 2nd, 3rd, ERI 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th
2023 – 1st, OTT 2nd, KIT 3rd, KNG 3rd, 4th ,6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, NIA 15th (COND)
2024 – 1st, KGN 2nd, BAR 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2025 – 1st, KGN 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2026 – 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2027 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th
2028 – 1st, 2nd, KGN 2nd (COND), 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th

Conditions
- OTT 15 2021 tied to unspecified conditions in WIlliam Sirman trade
- WSR 15th 2022 tied to unspecified conditions in Ben Garagan trade
- NIA 15th 2023 becomes a 6th in 2022 if Christian Stevens plays one game for NIA (per Windsor Star)
- KIT 2nd 2024 will become an earlier 2nd if Windsor acquires a 2nd in 2020 or 2021 (per Windsor Star). Cuylle trade. Flint 2nd in 2020 should go to Peterborough and Windsor retains Kitchener 2nd in 2024?
- KGN 2nd 2027 & 2028 will go to Windsor if Gabriel Vilardi returns for the 2018-19 season (per Windsor Star)

Signed and Protected Players
Currently signed or expected to be signed players as well as my best guess at the remainder of the 50 man protected list (48). Counting the U18 draftees separate from the protected list.

Forwards (15)
Ben Garagan – 1999/01/06 – C – L – 5’11” - 180 (OA/Undrafted)
Luke Boka – 1999/0612 – RW – R – 5’11” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Cole Purboo – 1999/06/18 – RW – R – 6’3” – 221 (OA/Undrafted)
Curtis Douglas – 2000/03/06 – C – L – 6’9” – 250 (Drafted Dallas)
Chris Playfair – 2000/05/31 – LW – L – 6’1” – 182 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Tyler Angle – 2000/09/30 – C – L – 5’9” – 168 (Drafted Columbus)
Egor Afanasyev – 2001/01/23 – LW – L – 6’4” – 210 (Drafted Nashville)
Daniel D’Amico – 2001/01/25 – C – L – 5’9” – 178 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jordan Frasca – 2001/07/25 – LW – L – 6’1” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kyle McDonald – 2002/02/05 – RW – R – 6’4” – 186 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Will Cuylle – 2002/05/02 – LW – L – 6’2” – 200 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Jean-Luc Foudy – 2002/05/13 – C – R – 5’11” – 163 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Matt Maggio – 2002/11/25 – RW – R – 5’10” – 169 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Wyatt Johnston – 2003/05/14 – C – R – 5’11” – 152 (Draft Eligible 2021)
Zito Pasquale – 2003/06/01 – C – L – 5’11” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Defence (8)
Thomas Stevenson – 1999/10/14 – D – L – 6’2” – 200 (OA/Undrafted)
Connor Corcoran – 2000/08/07 – D – R – 6’2” – 193 (Drafted Vegas)
Louka Henault – 2001/01/31 – D – L – 6’0” – 178 (Draft Eligible2020)
Grayson Ladd – 2001/03/01 – D – R – 6’1” – 171 – (Draft Eligible 2020)
Nathan Staios – 2001/05/17 – D – L – 5’8” – 168 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Ruben Rafkin – 2002/01/08 – RD – R – 6’0” – 188 Import/(Draft Eligible 2020 U of Denver Commit) Expected to be signed by training camp.
Dylan Robinson – 2002/05/03 – D – L – 6’3” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020)
James Jodoin – 2003/02/04 – D – R – 6’3” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2021)

Goaltenders (3)
Colton Incze – 1999/01/31 – G – L – 6’2” – 200 – (OA/Undrafted)
Xavier Medina – 2002/01/20 – G – L – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020)
Kari Piiroinen – 2001/07/01 – G – L – 6’1” – 176 (Import/Draft Eligible 2020)

2017 Unsigned Draftees (3)
6th RND – WSR – Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Dominick Fensore – 2001/09/07 – LW – L – 5’7” – 154 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Webber – 2001/01/05 – D – L – 6’6” – 194 (Drafted Carolina/Boston U Commit)

2018 Unsigned Draftees (11)
4th RND – WSR – McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
7th RND – WSR – Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U)
7th RND – WSR – Tanner Kelly – 2002/05/11 – C – R – 5’6” – 137 (Draft Eligible 2020/Michigan State U)
8th RND – WSR – Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Daniel Botelho – 2002/08/08 – G – L – 5’11” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
12th RND – WSR – Liam Scullion – 2002/06/20 – C – R – 5’11” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Johnny Ulicny – 2002/09/30 – LW – L – 5’8” – 157 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Luke Tuch – 2002/03/07 – LW – L – 6’1” – 196 (Draft Eligible 2020/Boston U)
14th RND – WSR – Aleksa Babic – 2002/08/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 148 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – William (Hunter) McKown – 2002/08/18 – RW – R – 6’0” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 Unsigned Draftees (10)
5th RND – WSR – Isa Parekh – 2003/09/27 – D – R – 5’10” – 134 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
6th RND – WSR – Max Donohoe – 2003/01/11 – LW – L – 6’1” – 170 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
8th RND – WSR – Ben Felicitti – 2003/04/03 – RW – R – 5’11” – 176 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
9th RND – WSR – Zak Kruszewski – 2003/09/18 – D – R – 6’1” – 203 (Draft Eligible 2022/No Commit)
10th RND – WSR – Ty MacDonald – 2003/08/27 – C – R – 5’11” – 146 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
11th RND – WSR – Justin Brown – 2003/04/07 – C – R – 5’9” – 159 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
13th RND – WSR – Sutter Muzzatti – 2003/06/28 – C – L – 6’3” – 192 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
14th RND – WSR – Shaun Horne – 2003/01/24 – D – R – 5’9” – 139 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)
15th RND – WSR – Ethan Straky – 2003/04/18 – D – R – 5’10” – 163 (Draft Eligible 2021/Notre Dame Commit)
15th RND – WSR – James Doyle – 2003/04/22 – RW – R – 6’1” – 172 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

2018 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Eli Shiller – 2001/07/10 – G – L – 6’0” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Arthur Wang – 2002/03/11 – D – L – 6’0” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)

2019 U18 Unsigned Draftees
1st RND – WSR – Aydin Parekh – 2002/01/05 – D – L – 5’9” – 190 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
2nd RND – WSR – Matthew Tovell – 2002/01/24 – G – L – 6’2” – 174 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit)
3rd RND – WSR – Eric Vitale – 2002/10/20 – D – L – 6’2” – 161 (Draft Eligible 2021/No Commit)

Potential Trades/Released Players
These are only my opinions but ones that could make sense depending on who shows/makes the roster out of camp.

Ben Garagan – Undrafted OA who is likely to be released if no trade can be found for him. The only way I see him here is if Boka and/or Purboo were to be dealt before the season started or there is a deal in the works that would be finalized very early in the season. I can’t see a card being spent to have him sit and wait until the deadline so best guess is he is not likely to even be here come training camp.

Chris Playfair – I can’t see him remaining with the team this season. He took a step back last year and whuile he had an injury that was part of the problem he struggled early in the year and never got going very much throughout the year. We have enough inconsistent players here already. I think a deal that brings back a mid or late round pick can be had but he has been surpassed by all the kids and likely all the 03s coming in will do the same. He’s a fourth line player on this team even including the 03 kids and could go to a rebuilding team that doesn’t have the assets to add older depth.

Daniel D’Amico – I don’t expect to see him moved but he is one who could be on the bubble by mid season if he shows signs of inconsistency coming back into his game. He will start the season here but if he struggles and starts to drop down the line up I could see a reason to move him. Could return a 3rd + in a deal and again, like Playfair would go to a rebuilding team to add middle six ability to a young, rebuilding roster.

Jordan Frasca – Would hate to see him go but Letowski has stalled his development and taken him from a middle six potential forward to a fourth line forward. With Johnston coming up if he develops well early he will be moving up the roster leaving Frasca on the outside looking in. He should be able to return a 4th round pick or so and would thrive in a middle six role on a young, rebuilding team. He will never be a to line player but he can be more then he will be given the chance to be here in Windsor.

Thomas Stevenson – I think he will be given every chance to be here this year but as an OA his future here will depend on a number of things. He needs to provide more value than he would return when compared to the thought of bringing in an OA D from elsewhere. I don’t think Windsor should be spending the assets needed to upgrade, depending on who comes out of training camp. He will never be more than a 3rd pairing/7th D this season so it will be tough to justify keeping him. A late mid round/late round pick is all that would likely come back if he were dealt.

Louka Henault – I don’t expect Henault to be dealt unless there are some surprises at camp or a deal to bring in an upgrade on D. He showed improvement last season and while he still needs to continue that improvement he could have some value as part of a bigger deal to bring someone else in. I think, as it stands at least he will be here this year barring any surprises.

Nathan Staios – This is a tough one. Not his biggest fan and with the rumours/speculation around the deadline that he would not be opposed to a trade I think it becomes possible he does get dealt. Like Henault it becomes a question of who comes out of camp and what role he would have after that determines his fate unless of course he were to request a trade. He would probably provide the most value on this list if he were dealt and could offset much of the cost if he were part of a larger deal.

Colton Incze – I expect him to be here to start training camp and if Medina and Piiroinen show they can be a solid tandem then he will be dealt before the season starts. A number of teams could use a backup goaltender with experience, even an OA and hopefully he could return something similar to what Windsor gave up for him, a 4th. Doubt they get that but a 5th to a 7th wo0uld be decent.

Who Comes Out Of Camp?
Looking at who could potentially come out of camp, provided they are there will determine who all gets moved. Some speculation/comments last season about some players and contract expectations being the reason they weren’t on the team but in some instances where they are not NHL drafted and don’t have NCAA commits it’s time to decide if a normal education package plus the paid schooling while they play is worth more than not reporting at all and sticking with JR. B or Tier II or retiring from the game and paying their own education at this point. Obviously any of the higher end flyers should they be willing report would change a lot in terms of who gets moved and who has a shot at camp but the following five are those who I think based on discussions on here etc have a chance should they report. I don’t think any of the 03s that haven’t been signed will be ready to jump in this year but there are a couple who could be close.

Austin Brimmer – 2001/08/10 – RW – R – 6’3” – 205 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – It was speculated he could make the team last year but the education package was a sticking point. Is he still a possibility? He would slot in on the 4th line to start with the potential to move up to the 3rd line depending how he and others progressed. He could also make Purboo and/or Boka expendable to return assets to stockpile for the future. He would not likely replace Purboo’s scoring but wouldn’t be expected to either. He would be a value move that could improve the 4th line while maximizing Purboo’s value in a deal instead of seeing him drop down the line up in a reduced role as I think we will see as the season progresses unless he were to have a Luchuk type year which I don’t see happening.

McKay Hayes – 2002/01/27 – C – L – 6’2” – 181 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – Another kid who could have a shot at the roster if he has progressed. Again we are likely looking at 3rd/4th line potential but allows value by replacing some of the older players who could be dealt for assets to stockpile for the future.

Spencer Evans – 2002/04/19 – D – L – 6’4” – 194 (Draft Eligible 2020/Brown U) – I think he is the biggest question mark at this point in terms of players who were thought they may show but didn’t show up last year. He has an NCAA commit so getting him to report would take a solid offer from Windsor but with the changes and chaos of the last few months does that end up helping Windsor’s case with Rychel out of the picture or has it soured him completely? Probably the biggest of those who were thought could potentially report beyond the obvious flyer picks. If he reported than with him and Rafkin in the line up this is where the potential for dealing Staois and/or Henault comes into play. Both would be upgrades on the two of them so both could become trade bait to add elsewhere.

Owen Shier – 2202/01/28 – D – R – 6’1” – 185 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – I’ve heard him mentioned as someone who had the potential to crack the D this year. He would obviously start on the bottom pairing but between him and Jodoin, if he shows he is ready they can solidify the right side of the D and push Corcoran and Ladd ahead of them either improving their game or making one expendable at the deadline.

Cade Lemmer – 2002/01/18 – C – L – 5’9” – 183 (Draft Eligible 2020/No Commit) – He’s been mentioned in the past as someone who could possibly be here this season. From what I understand he has middle six potential so start on the third line and prove himself from there. He’s an American currently with no NCAA commitment so it comes down to does he hang on this year and try to get a commit or push for a better education from Windsor or does he show up and sign if he earns it?

I don’t know who Windsor would target in potential trades that could bring players in, I have a couple of players in mind I would like to see based on their age and expectations of their skill level but the cost would exceed what I would want to see Windsor spend unless of course bigger deals could be made with the extras it would cost Windsor coming from assets acquired in separate deals. No, I’m not expecting all listed to be dealt or to show up and make the team, just some thoughts on who I feel couold be dealt for various reason or make the team. In many cases each is reliant on something from each list happening.

Thoughts? Corrections? Roster projections?


Unbelievable effort thought and time compiling all this great information. Wouldn't be surprised if Bowler gets a hold of this to catch up on the state of affairs of the team lol
 

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Unbelievable effort thought and time compiling all this great information. Wouldn't be surprised if Bowler gets a hold of this to catch up on the state of affairs of the team lol

Most of it is just compiling the info. From the pick database, adding in recent activity and trying to remember, hopefully correctly what's been said by others with more inside type info then I have.

Everything else is just an opinion which usually has limited value beyond my own mind.
 
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Garagan....expect him to be camp fodder. Attempt to trade but probably end up being waived
Playfair..camp fodder...trade value....4th......but had a concussion & is an assistant. If he stays it’s as a Pk & a 4th liner.
D’Amico...bordering on 3rd line..may request playing time..as season progresses.
Frasca..already wants out. Will get wish. Perhaps for o/a D
Stevenson..camp fodder traded for high draft pick.
Incze...camp fodder..bubble depends on goalies ...inexperience a huge factor.
Henault...expect him to make team..unless a couple older D arrive
Staios...agree could be dealt but would be in a big deal. More likely to stay.
Boka/Purboo...should stay but as 3/4th liners...pk. If that’s how they plan on using them I expect they will want out.
I think the forwards will be fine . My problem is with the goaltenders and defense.
We all expect the new owners to run a tight ship and things will be different when it comes to trades. $$$ will be a very important factor when it comes to player movement.
I really want a tough O/A defenseman. I hope to see a couple of other players added who have been previously drafted but don’t hold out high hopes....
 
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Given the talk about Frasca and Barrie, with the Colts signing his younger brother, I wouldn't be shocked if there's a deal made. The Colts do have 99D Christopher Cameron, who's from SE Michigan, has good size, and plays a physical game. He's not Sean Allen, but he's a good get.

It wouldn't surprise me if Staios is dealt. I like the kid and he has some good tools, but I don't know if he's what we need. He had a breakout season with 29 points, and could read 30-35 this season with work, but his defensive play left me scratching my head at times. Being 5'9 165, you need to have much better offence to make up for your lack of ability to clear the front of the net. We watched him miss assignments multiple times because he simply couldn't clear the net. I just don't see him being a great fit, at this point.

Playfair is a strange beast for me. We know what he can do, but he was limited last year with injury. He's not going to bring you 50+ points but he's more of a Boka style. If he can accept that bottom six role, he's valuable. If not, I don't know what to do with him.

Maggio is a kid that'll be given every chance to show his stuff. He'll start lower but, if he has the ablity, will certainly move up.
 

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Right now I see this team being short a first line RW who can score consistently unless Afanasyev can fill that role.

Middle six they have extra bodies, some better than others and some who may have higher expectations of the ice time they may feel they deserve.

The fourth line is looking crowded at the moment between young kids coming up and vets who can fill a role but not likely one they expect to be filling.

The D brings in Rafkin who likely pushes some players down, if not immediately then soon after the season starts. The D was in desperate need of a makeover and nothing seems to be happening there yet. I imagine who shows up at camp and the impression they make will determine any changes.

Stevenson I can see being moved but I don't want to see higher assets out for a slight upgrade. A good ol' hockey trade for an OA D makes sense if they can't fill from within.

Right now, once Garagan and Incze go they have enough bodies to fill the roster with 14 forwards, 7 D, 2 goaltenders with all import and OA spots accounted for if they don't make any moves. While the mix isn't great I can see them standing pat until the deadline if they aren't willing to invest in the team. It would be a huge mistake and while unlikely I wouldn't be shocked with how things have been handled.

If this happened I could see a couple players moved at the deadline with a waiver pick up or two brought in depending on how many players would be moved. If only two I can see them doing like they did this year, 12 forwards, 6 D and 2 goalies with the let the kids play mantra paraded out again and if there's any injuries run short again.

Hope they will make smart moves and investments in the team but after this past season not getting my hopes up.
 
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Any move that will impact a sale will go through some heavy scrutiny. I agree that they very well may end the year short again . The logic with that is how many education packages are tagged to the sale? There are kids that could come up and fill a roll but they will be leary of eating the costs with the chance the fill-ins may only play 15-20 games. Not a cost effective move for the future and my gut feel is all decisions this year will be based on future costs and impact to a possible future sale. Sure hope I'm wrong on this one.
 
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I don't think the team can afford to spend the season tip-toeing around deals/signings in case of future sales. You bought the shares for a reason, to invest. Build the team properly and watch the investment grow.

My gut feeling says Bowler will make a move or two come August.
 
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I don't think the team can afford to spend the season tip-toeing around deals/signings in case of future sales. You bought the shares for a reason, to invest. Build the team properly and watch the investment grow.

My gut feeling says Bowler will make a move or two come August.

Drop the dead weight hope.
 

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I don't think the team can afford to spend the season tip-toeing around deals/signings in case of future sales. You bought the shares for a reason, to invest. Build the team properly and watch the investment grow.

My gut feeling says Bowler will make a move or two come August.
Well I do hope you are right and I am wrong but there are too many signs pointing the other way.
 

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Any move that will impact a sale will go through some heavy scrutiny. I agree that they very well may end the year short again . The logic with that is how many education packages are tagged to the sale? There are kids that could come up and fill a roll but they will be leary of eating the costs with the chance the fill-ins may only play 15-20 games. Not a cost effective move for the future and my gut feel is all decisions this year will be based on future costs and impact to a possible future sale. Sure hope I'm wrong on this one.

Agree. They will be looking at budget moves that keep the financial costs down without diminishing the product too much. If they can move bodies out for a solid return, that adds value to any potential sale. If they bring anyone in I doubt they will be willing to invest more then the bare minimum.

I don't think the team can afford to spend the season tip-toeing around deals/signings in case of future sales. You bought the shares for a reason, to invest. Build the team properly and watch the investment grow.

My gut feeling says Bowler will make a move or two come August.

While I'm sure there will be moves at some point they likely won't go beyond basic housekeeping unless they are to bring in picks. As I said, minimal investment in players who will improve the product for this year and next.

It's not going to be an eventful year in terms of improving the product. Players like Boka, Purboo etc, even Staois will add picks but won't affect the team too much either way if they are moved. Even fans aren't likely to get thrilled one way or the other if players like that are moved. If they are in it for the long haul then a big splash would draw fans back as it would show they are serious going forward. Not suggesting they empty the cupboards to try to go for a run this year but adding some more youth/key pieces for 2019/20 and 2020/21 while moving on from others would certainly get the fans talking more about the team instead of speculating about ownership's intentions.
 

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Looking at a potential roster based on who we currently have at the moment, or at least expect to have come opening night I could see:

Cuylle - Foudy - Douglas
Afanasyev - Angle - Purboo
D'Amico - Johnston - Maggio
Pasquale - Boka - McDonald
Frasca - Playfair

Rafkin - Corcoran
Staois - Ladd
Henault - Stevenson
Robinson - Jodoin

Piiroinen
Medina

Moved/released would be Garagan and Incze.

Frasca, Playfair, Pasquale and Johnston would be rotated in and out of the line up front while Robinson, Jodoin and Stevenson would rotate on the D.I don't like the looks of that line up going forward at the moment and a few of them as we know potentially won't be here come opening night anyways.

If ownership is willing to invest instead of sitting on their hands I would like to see:

Cuylle - Foudy - 01 Trade
Afanasyez - Angle - McDonald or Maggio
Douglas - Lemmer - Maggio or McDonald
Pasquale - Johnston - Brimmer
Hayes

Rafkin - Corcoran
Evans - Ladd
Robinson - Shier
Jodoin

Piiroinen
Medina

Moved/released would be Garagan, Incze, Boka, Purboo, Stevenson, Playfair, Staois, Henault, Frasca and D'Amico.

Pasquale, Johnston, Brimmer and Hayes would all be the rotated players up front while Robinson, Shier and Jodoin would rotate through the D. The roster gets younger but the trade off in experience is offset by hopefully increased potential/talent. It's a lot of bodies in and out which obviously isn't going to happen and a top line 01 forward isn't going to come cheap so not pretending it will happen.

The first is realistic while the second is obviously much more of a wish list.
 
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OHLTG

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While I'm sure there will be moves at some point they likely won't go beyond basic housekeeping unless they are to bring in picks

My gut says deals like Frasca for a pick, Boka for a couple of picks, that kind of thing. (NOT the actual value, but the concept of the deal itself. They've been fortunate to bring in four young forwards, plus a couple of D-men, so there's a reasonable expectation that something has to give. You can then use those picks down the road, even at the deadline, to tweak the roster if needed.

That being said, I would like to see an 01 or 02, such as a Brimmer or Lemmer, make the club. Heck, I'd even try for Tanner Kelly if he's possible.

The last line there is big, too - a move that gets the fans talking about that move and the future, rather than the ownership, isn't a bad idea.
 
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windsor7

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My gut says deals like Frasca for a pick, Boka for a couple of picks, that kind of thing. (NOT the actual value, but the concept of the deal itself. They've been fortunate to bring in four young forwards, plus a couple of D-men, so there's a reasonable expectation that something has to give. You can then use those picks down the road, even at the deadline, to tweak the roster if needed.

That being said, I would like to see an 01 or 02, such as a Brimmer or Lemmer, make the club. Heck, I'd even try for Tanner Kelly if he's possible.

The last line there is big, too - a move that gets the fans talking about that move and the future, rather than the ownership, isn't a bad idea.

Could be just a pipe dream
 

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The thing with Boka is that if used correctly, he's worth more than whatever we would get for him. He's a perfect 3rd/4th liner who is a top notch PK specialist. He'll use his body, cycle the puck down low, and you know he's never afraid to block a shot. Obviously, the problem with him is his lack of an offensive skillset, and he is misused as a top six forward.

Do you remember the 16-17 Spitfires? The top 3 forward lines looked more or less like this:

Addison - Brown - Vilardi
Knott - Nattinen - Bracco
Laishram - Luchuk - Boka


I remember specifically in the London series, Boka's line was a terror down low. Nobody was complaining about Boka at the time because he was being used perfectly in Rocky's system. Under Letowski, he's primarily been in a top 6 role, and it's seemed that he's trying to be more of an offensive player and his game has suffered because of it. Then again, he's been used as a top six forward at times because of the lack of high end talent the last two years. That is starting to change and I really hope he can both accept, and excel at, the role he's looked the most comfortable in. Of course, this all comes down to how Letowski decides to use him this coming year, as I firmly believe Boka is a Spitfire to start the year.
 

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I think the issue with the Spits is they have a lot of tweeners. Guys that can play 2nd line or 3rd line but not necessarily be top line guys. I would have a hard time seeing Playfair being moved, he had a very limited body of work and was still named assistant captain. Of course Rychel raved about him as a future captain when he drafted him and he was an assistant captain this past year. D'Amico fell off a cliff the 2nd half of the year. If Bowler could create a market for D'Amico and sell a team on his offensive potential I think you could help the defense a bit by moving him. I have no doubt in my mind that Frasca(under the assumption he hasn't asked for a trade) could be an upgrade on Playfair if used properly.

There should be a priority but on building up the D beyond just drafting Rafkin. I am sure they probably want Robinson in the top 6 as well. There's no reason to have Jodoin up here this year he needs time to develop. I still believe you need to protect Piroinen a fair bit. He didn't show well this past year. Even if he improves a bit I believe there needs to be a lot of improvement from the D in order for Piroinen to play at a high a level.
 
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