Willy Part XVI - The Zurich Summit

[Gabriel426]

Pesce for Willie might be even worse than Larson for Hall.
Even if Willie does not improve and remain a 20goals/60pts player, it is still an overpayment for someone like Pesce.

 

[MyBudJT]

I'm not convinced Pesce is even an improvement on Zaitsev... we'd need a better defensman in return for Nylander...

 

[Kiwi]

Anyone realize Babs would've never given kasperi a chance if Nylander didn't hold out?

This holdout has great so far.

You realize Kapanen needs a new deal next year right?
I wouldn't call that great by any stretch of the imagination

 

[gamer1035]

You realize Kapanen needs a new deal next year right?
I wouldn't call that great by any stretch of the imagination

Hindsight is 20/20 pal. If kapanen continued his pace from last year you probably would be trying to chase him out the door.

Hell, let's just look at Johnsson, who hasn't got a real shot yet. What do you want to do with him? Sign him to an 8 year deal this summer?

 

[Amadeus]

The only D-man I consider for Nylander are MacAvoy, Provorov, Jones. If we can't have them, then Id rather look for the BPA and not necessarily a D.

 

[Daisy Jane]

*whispers* Pesce isn’t a top pairing d man and at 24 is as good as he’s going to be....

and we know this why?

 

[Knies iT]

Pesce for Willie might be even worse than Larson for Hall.
Even if Willie does not improve and remain a 20goals/60pts player, it is still an overpayment for someone like Pesce.

It's horrendous value for Nylander. Pesce is overrated and unspectacular; he is not a top pair defensemen and is the type of player who peaks early. Nylander will almost assuredly be a PPG player at some point in his career with his tools and career trajectory thus far.

Nylander's 5v5 points and aggregate points to start his career indicates he is in a class of super-elite players. Pesce is a safe #3 defensemen with amazing D partners in a defense first system.

This would be worse than Hall-Larsson.

 

[IPS]

and we know this why?

Because some of us actually tune in to watch the player. Try it some time.

 

[DarkKnight]

If we wait two more weeks we knock 200 grand off his cap hit after this year for duration of contract(assume 6.5 x 5), if we wait until Dec 1 it will be 400 grand. That's not a bad team savings, weird little CBA wrinkle for in season RFA signings. We have the cap space this year, so really its to the teams advantage to go later. Just another "no leverage" angle for Willie's agent.

 

[34]

Pesce is no where near good enough to trade Nylander for.

Dubas has to find a way to get Willy signed and get him back with Matthews.

Kapanen Matthews Nylander

 

[Menzinger]

and we know this why?

Because most players are finished developing by that age. And he’s never really shown the offensive ability/puck skill at any other point in his career.

He likely is what he is, a good “shut down” 2nd pairing guy.

 

[socko]

I'm not a fan of low skill defenseman. Reminds me of blown Leaf draft picks of the past like Luke Schenn. Now, if the Canes want to move Dougie Hamilton...

 

[Eb]

The only D-man I consider for Nylander are MacAvoy, Provorov, Jones. If we can't have them, then Id rather look for the BPA and not necessarily a D.

Parayko needs to be on there.

 

[New Liskeard]

Because some of us actually tune in to watch the player. Try it some time.

If you are referring to Pesce then you havent watched him at all making that statement.

 

[Judas Tavares]

We also can't get caught up in points when evaluating dmen. We need someone who can retrieve the puck, make a smart pass to get it out of the zone and/or skate it out. Points mean dick all with what we already have. I want a cerebral dman, not a rich man's Gardiner. Just because they have a lower point total, does not mean they aren't skilled. A prime Nik Hjalmarsson, who never had more than 26 points, is what we need.

 

[Cor]

Brett Pesce is certainly a top pairing guy.

23 years old, signed long term on a cap friendly deal, RHD, defensive minded but can still move the puck.

Anyone who wouldn't want him on our team doesn't know who he is. I understand the hesitation to move Nylander for him though.

 

[IPS]

If you are referring to Pesce then you havent watched him at all making that statement.

Educate me then.

What am I missing about him? Mezinger already said it - he's a standard shutdown 2nd pairing D-man. Take him out of that defense-first Carolina system and his partner Slavin and he'd be a fish out of water. He's essentially the Braun to the Vlasic or the Oduya to the Hjalmarrson. What special skills does he have that I'm missing here?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I'm not convinced Pesce is even an improvement on Zaitsev... we'd need a better defensman in return for Nylander...

the first part is embarrassing but I agree with the second part

 

[New Liskeard]

Educate me then.

What am I missing about him? Mezinger already said it - he's a standard shutdown 2nd pairing D-man. Take him out of that defense-first Carolina system and his partner Slavin and he'd be a fish out of water. He's essentially the Braun to the Vlasic or the Oduya to the Hjalmarrson. What special skills does he have that I'm missing here?

How many points does he put up and how much PP time does he get? He is better than you are making him out to be; that i can assure you.

 

[TDotMassive]

Would have been nice to get him signed long-term before the tryout with Matthews.

Ya, if he kept up his previous production we could have locked him up for for Connor Brown/Zach Hyman type money. If he puts up a 60 pt season beside Matthews, then what? Jake is the obvious first casualty this coming offseason...

 

[IPS]

How many points does he put up and how much PP time does he get? He is better than you are making him out to be; that i can assure you.

You do seem high on him. Be real here - do you see him being a shutdown guy of the caliber of say a Hjalmarrson, Vlasic or Slavin or potentially becoming that level down the road?

Pesce's a name that's been thrown out for awhile on here now, so I've kind of made a point to watch him when I can.

 

[Cor]

Brett Pesce has a 0.71 P/60 at 5v5 since 2016-17.

He's seen just 68 minutes in total PP TOI since then, but has still scored 42 points in 154 games. Which works out to rough 22.4 points in 82 games with little powerplay time and largely used in defensive situations.

Not every d-man needs to score points. We have that in Morgan Rielly and Jake Gardiner.

 

[New Liskeard]

Brett Pesce is certainly a top pairing guy.

23 years old, signed long term on a cap friendly deal, RHD, defensive minded but can still move the puck.

Anyone who wouldn't want him on our team doesn't know who he is. I understand the hesitation to move Nylander for him though.

Absolutely, factually correct.

 

[MyBudJT]

the first part is embarrassing but I agree with the second part

Howso...? I think Zaitsev undeservedly gets a bad rap on these boards... he's a solid #3 in my opinion

 

[TDotMassive]

Pesce for Willie might be even worse than Larson for Hall.
Even if Willie does not improve and remain a 20goals/60pts player, it is still an overpayment for someone like Pesce.

Wouldn't be a great trade, but come on... Hall is far more than Nylander will ever be, he won the Hart last year. It doesn't get any worse than trading away a Hart trophy winner who could have played along side your suffering Hart trophy winning center. They would have had the last 2 Hart trophy winners playing on the same freakin line! Instead... the got Adam Larson.