William Nylander vs Bo Horvat
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Hes one year younger, its negligible. Nylander scores at the same pace as Bo in the past year. You are voting purely based on potential and hypotheticals.
Pyrophorus
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No? Everyone is voting Nylander because they think he's that much superior offensively. The numbers in the past year don't back that up.
Pyrophorus
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Love
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Horvat took 40 face offs the other night. Countless defensive zone starts for him. He’s leaned on as our “Mr. Everything” centre. Nylander isn’t utilized like that and isn’t asked to do nearly as much as Horvat.
Sergei Shirokov
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How is it a hypothetical that Horvat is far more utilized than Nylander? While scoring the same or more goals?
nowhereman
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Nylander a better all-around/defensive player than Horvat?
Seriously, what am I reading here, lol?
Seriously, what am I reading here, lol?
Okay,
I'm genuinely interested in this discussion.
The setback is we don't know nylander's numbers this year, and I f***ing wish he didn't hold out (although understandable) so we could get a real comparison.
Horvat has improved every year, but this season (so far, and yes I know..small sample size) looks so much better. Like... A LOT better. I really doubted he could be a 1C, and was happy with the future being pettersson (1c), horvat (2c) but now I'm not really doubting it. He can drive a line with bottom 6 players on it. He can shutdown the other lines. He's being compared to Kesler (yeah, he's not Selke-worthy (perhaps, yet), and I don't think he has that wrist shot). I think hes taking more than half the faceoffs each game (dont quote me on that) he definitely a hard-working player, literally carried the team when both Petey and Boeser were out (vvv small sample size)..unfortunately, his linemate (Bae) got injured quickly and then Sutter AND beagle were out so he's on shutdown role. The only thing I would change from his performance rn, he is going on quite a penalty streak.
Anyways, I'm curious for opinions that aren't Canucks fans.. people who have actually seen him play though.
Idk who I take, it's hard when Nylander isnt playing. 5.5m caphit for Horvat is hard to pass, but who knows what Nylander gets.
I'm genuinely interested in this discussion.
The setback is we don't know nylander's numbers this year, and I f***ing wish he didn't hold out (although understandable) so we could get a real comparison.
Horvat has improved every year, but this season (so far, and yes I know..small sample size) looks so much better. Like... A LOT better. I really doubted he could be a 1C, and was happy with the future being pettersson (1c), horvat (2c) but now I'm not really doubting it. He can drive a line with bottom 6 players on it. He can shutdown the other lines. He's being compared to Kesler (yeah, he's not Selke-worthy (perhaps, yet), and I don't think he has that wrist shot). I think hes taking more than half the faceoffs each game (dont quote me on that) he definitely a hard-working player, literally carried the team when both Petey and Boeser were out (vvv small sample size)..unfortunately, his linemate (Bae) got injured quickly and then Sutter AND beagle were out so he's on shutdown role. The only thing I would change from his performance rn, he is going on quite a penalty streak.
Anyways, I'm curious for opinions that aren't Canucks fans.. people who have actually seen him play though.
Idk who I take, it's hard when Nylander isnt playing. 5.5m caphit for Horvat is hard to pass, but who knows what Nylander gets.
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Nithoniniel
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From what I've read, Horvat supposedly has dreadful defensive metrics down to the micro level. Meanwhile, Willy is actually one of the best forwards at transition defense in the league. I know, sounds absurd, but if I remember correctly he led the league in defensive plays* in the neutral zone last year, while also ranking among the top 10 in adjusted takeaway rate. He's pretty lousy in his own zone against an established cycle though.
* Misremembered a bit, he led the league in successful stick checks in the neutral zone. Still rated very high in overall defensive plays though.
koyvoo
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Plus, Willy is playoff warrior. A player who leads teams to glory through sheer will and determination.
What kind of playoff warrior skates away from a winning puck battle to concede possession in the offensive zone with a minute left to go in game 7 down by a goal because he might get hit?
