William Nylander Part XIII

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

But when I continuously claim that Pastrnak accomplished FAR more than Nylander when signing his contract (ahem... 34 goals, 70 points: signed for 6.6) everyone just says “YEAH, BUT HE PLAYED WITH MARCHAND!!!!”

So in regards to Kadri/Nylander comparisons, can’t I also just scream “YEAH, BUT ONLY ONE PLAYED WITH AUSTON ****ING MATHHEWS.”

Why are there so many arguments that apparently apply ONLY to Nylander but not to any other player?

He had just 9 more points than Nylander that year 70 to 61.

Nobody expected Pasta to break out as well as he did last year, including him, or he would have signed for a lot more. Marchand is also way better than Hyman so yes the line he plays on does help. The problem is that Pasta signed that contract after jumping from 26 to 70 points and Boston wasn't entirely sure which player they were going to have going forward.

The issue is that we didn't sign Nylander last summer and most of that was probably on Lou. Nylander is now coming off back to back 61 point seasons and has a much stronger case for a higher AAV than Pastrnak did when he negotiated his contract.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Is there any team in the nhl with lhd/rhd perfectly split on all lines?

Good question
Not sure

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Good question
Not sure

Maybe nashville? Or carolina, i cant think of any

 

[Daisy Jane]

As I said above. There’s people that actually believe that

so... who cares if they believe it or not?

 

[hockeynorth]

Hey willy, you see that? Keep sitting a you'll lose your spot to a Finn. Man, that Kessel 1.2 could be saved on Nylanders deal if he keeps watching Kappy go like this. Gotta get his blood boiling.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

He had just 9 more points than Nylander that year 70 to 61.

Nobody expected Pasta to break out as well as he did last year, including him, or he would have signed for a lot more. Marchand is also way better than Hyman so yes the line he plays on does help. The problem is that Pasta signed that contract after jumping from 26 to 70 points and Boston wasn't entirely sure which player they were going to have going forward.

The issue is that we didn't sign Nylander last summer and most of that was probably on Lou. Nylander is now coming off back to back 61 point seasons and has a much stronger case for a higher AAV than Pastrnak did when he negotiated his contract.

At the beginning of last year, the leafs weren’t sure what they had in Nylander going forward either. A mediocre 20/60 guy? Or a Pastrnak level 34/70 guy. Well... Nylander let us know what he is loud and clear. And then he had one of the most shameful playoff performances of recent memory.

If Nylander got 34/70 last year, what do you think he’d settle for right now? (This ought to be good). Pastrnak had 34/70, and he settled for 6.6.

If our (lol) 20/60 guy makes more than other teams 34/70 guys, we simply have no chance to compete.

 

[Nithoniniel]

IMO, the only people that think Gardiner is worth 6-6.5 million, are the people that think Toronto is going to go anywhere in the playoffs because they win 7-6 or 6-4 with an empty netter during the regular season.

Yup. The only people who value the guy who plays huge minutes for us and has the best defensive results are the people who only value offense.

A mediocre 20/60 guy?

How on earth is solid first line production mediocre? How do you even arrive at this? There were six players in the whole league that had a better assist rate at even strength than him. Mediocre indeed.

If our (lol) 20/60 guy makes more than other teams 34/70 guys, we simply have no chance to compete.

Yeah. 500k cap space too much to an important player, and we might as well just cancel the season. It's not like the current Stanley Cup Champions won with a depth player overpaid by $4M.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Yup. The only people who value the guy who plays huge minutes for us and has the best defensive results are the people who only value offense.

He looked awesome there as he jumped on the ice as Benn blew by him while Gardiner transitioned, which ended up in his goal...

 

[Jackson14]

The more I watch Kapanen the more I'm over Willie. Let's get some D and move on.

 

[socko]

He had just 9 more points than Nylander that year 70 to 61.

The issue is that we didn't sign Nylander last summer and most of that was probably on Lou. Nylander is now coming off back to back 61 point seasons and has a much stronger case for a higher AAV than Pastrnak did when he negotiated his contract.

I thought he had more value after the first 60 point season. He did not improve on that and then followed that up with the dud playoffs. The hockeywriters predicted him to have 31 goals and 71 points. That would have got him close to Pasternak level and would have been seen as progression towards the player he seems to think he is.

 

[Nithoniniel]

He looked awesome there as he jumped on the ice as Benn blew by him while Gardiner transitioned, which ended up in his goal...

1. Blaming that on Gardiner is absurd. You said it yourself, he just stepped on the ice. How exactly is he going to defend against a high-skill player coming with speed there?
2. In what way is that even a counter to his seven year career of posting good defensive results?

 

[BigGulpsEh]

He had just 9 more points than Nylander that year 70 to 61.

Nobody expected Pasta to break out as well as he did last year, including him, or he would have signed for a lot more. Marchand is also way better than Hyman so yes the line he plays on does help. The problem is that Pasta signed that contract after jumping from 26 to 70 points and Boston wasn't entirely sure which player they were going to have going forward.

The issue is that we didn't sign Nylander last summer and most of that was probably on Lou. Nylander is now coming off back to back 61 point seasons and has a much stronger case for a higher AAV than Pastrnak did when he negotiated his contract.

I agree with some of what you’re saying but pasta is better and most people would agree. He owned us in the playoffs.

Willy should not get more than pasta

 

[DarkKnight]

Timing and circumstance is everything. Feel bad for Nylander, this team is an offensive juggernaut. Zero leverage.

 

[Eb]

so... who cares if they believe it or not?

Because then it’s not obvious it’s tongue and cheek

And when you make a thread title a subjective opinion it suggests that’s the popular opinion.

Which it isn’t. Which is why it was removed.

 

[realgoodleafs]

He had just 9 more points than Nylander that year 70 to 61.

Nobody expected Pasta to break out as well as he did last year, including him, or he would have signed for a lot more. Marchand is also way better than Hyman so yes the line he plays on does help. The problem is that Pasta signed that contract after jumping from 26 to 70 points and Boston wasn't entirely sure which player they were going to have going forward.

The issue is that we didn't sign Nylander last summer and most of that was probably on Lou. Nylander is now coming off back to back 61 point seasons and has a much stronger case for a higher AAV than Pastrnak did when he negotiated his contract.

They were drafted in the same year and every year Pastrnak outperformed him by a wide margin and yet somehow people think Nylander should get paid the same or more.

 

[Kiwi]

Timing and circumstance is everything. Feel bad for Nylander, this team is an offensive juggernaut. Zero leverage.

He's an RFA without arb rights, he only ever had as much leverage as we were willing to give him, the team scoring or even winning or losing wouldn't really change that

 

[Daisy Jane]

Because then it’s not obvious it’s tongue and cheek

And when you make a thread title a subjective opinion it suggests that’s the popular opinion.

Which it isn’t. Which is why it was removed.

the OP removed it because people are sensitive.

the fact of the matter is - the team's objective is to show that we do not need Nylander. thus removing all leverage from his camp.
there are some people who believe we don't need him and we should trade him to improve the team. that's been pretty much a common opinion for a LOT of people.
if people want to get worked up on that, then whatever. but the title was not childish or embarrassing. it was clearly meant as tongue in cheek, and if happens to coincide with what some people believe, okay - but who cares?

 

[DarkKnight]

He's an RFA without arb rights, he only ever had as much leverage as we were willing to give him, the team scoring or even winning or losing wouldn't really change that

Sure it would. If we weren’t scoring, there would be more talk that we need him.

 

[Battle Lin]

willy watching this thinking dam i can get 80 points easy playing with this guy

 

[Drytoast]

Bridge him, trade him for a D prospect and lock in Kap NOW.

 

[The Beyonder]

Nylander watching Kapa with Matty

 

[Morbo]

another poor leverage night for the Nylander camp, looks like.

 

[Leafs1993]

Because then it’s not obvious it’s tongue and cheek

And when you make a thread title a subjective opinion it suggests that’s the popular opinion.

Which it isn’t. Which is why it was removed.

I changed it myself actually because I didn’t think people would get so sensitive. It was sarcasm. Did you read the last thread? It baffles me that we are still talking about my choice of thread title. I don’t understand what the big deal is here...

 

[Nithoniniel]

another poor leverage night for the Nylander camp, looks like.

And that's a good thing, regardless of your stance on Willy.

Just get that $6.5x7 contract done and put him with Kadri, and we'll never stop scoring.

 

[DopeyFish]

People saying they ok with Kapanen... no. Marleau it taking up kapanen's spot with Matthews and Nylander.

Nylander is a god like talent compared to kapanen