William Northey Division Discussion Thread

[jarek]

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The discussion in this thread is related to the division specified in the title only. All other potential matchups that could occur league wide are irrelevant as it pertains to the results of voting in this division. As such, compare only the 3 teams in this division to each other when voting.

@tinyzombies @kruezer @Velociraptor

Please post your rosters as you'd like us to view them as it pertains to voting. Mods, can you guys please make sure the 3 roster posts are at the top of the thread and all in-between posts are deleted?

Discussion may begin once all rosters are posted.

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[kruezer]

Seattle Metropolitans

Coach: Scotty Bowman
Assistant Coach: Pete Muldoon

Lineup

Bill Barber - Phil Esposito (C) - Andy Bathgate (A)
Roy Conacher - Russell Bowie - Bobby Rousseau
Veniamin Alexandrov - Jacques Lemaire - Vladimir Vikulov
Don Marshall - Doug Jarvis - Owen Nolan
Murray Oliver, Ken Wharram

Lionel Conacher (A) - J.C. Tremblay
Bill Quackenbush - Vladimir Konstantinov
Lloyd Cook - Bill Hajt
Taffy Abel

Dominik Hasek
Ron Hextall

Special Teams

PP1 - Alexandrov - Esposito - Bathgate - Barber - Tremblay
PP2 - R. Conacher - Bowie - Nolan - Cook - Rousseau

PK1 - Jarvis - Marshall - Quackenbush - Hajt
PK2 - Lemaire - Rousseau - L. Conacher - Konstantinov​

 

[Namba 17]

Seattle Metropolitans

Coach: Scotty Bowman
Assistant Coach: Pete Muldoon

Lineup

Bill Barber - Phil Esposito (C) - Andy Bathgate (A)
Roy Conacher - Russell Bowie - Bobby Rousseau
Veniamin Alexandrov - Jacques Lemaire - Vladimir Vikulov
Don Marshall - Doug Jarvis - Owen Nolan
Murray Oliver, Ken Wharram

Lionel Conacher (A) - J.C. Tremblay
Bill Quackenbush - Vladimir Konstantinov
Lloyd Cook - Bill Hajt
Taffy Abel

Dominik Hasek
Ron Hextall

Special Teams

PP1 - Alexandrov - Esposito - Bathgate - Barber - Tremblay
PP2 - R. Conacher - Bowie - Nolan - Cook - Rousseau

PK1 - Jarvis - Marshall - Quackenbush - Konstantinov
PK2 - Lemaire - Rousseau - L. Conacher - Tremblay​

You have Bill Hajt and don't use him in your PK1 unit.
But why?

 

[kruezer]

Fair point, I’ve been struggling with taking jc off the pk entirely, but it’s probably worth letting him focus more on ES

 

[tinyzombies]

MONTREAL "N.D.G." MAROONS
1926 and 1935 Stanley Cup Champions

GM: tinyzombies
Coach: Iron Mike Keenan
Asst. Coach: Larry Robinson
Captain: Jean Beliveau
Alternates: John Bucyk & Scott Niedermayer


John Bucyk - Jean Beliveau - Martin St. Louis
Rick Martin - Gilbert Perreault - Marian Gaborik / Harry Hyland
Bun Cook - Vyacheslav Starshinov (R) - Bernie Morris
Dick Duff / John Madden - Bobby Holik (R) - Frank Finnigan

Chris Pronger - Jan Suchy
Harvey Pulford - Scott Niedermayer
Leo Boivin - Bullet Joe Simpson / Albert "Battleship" Leduc

Grant Fuhr
Tim Thomas

PP1:
Bucyk - Beliveau - St. Louis
Suchy - Pronger

PP2:
Starshinov
Simpson - Perreault - Martin
Niedermayer

PK1: Madden - Finnigan - Boivin - Pronger/Niedermayer
PK2: Starshinov (R) - St. Louis - Pulford - Leduc

Estimated Minutes Per Game, Forwards
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Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Jean Beliveau	16	5	0	21
Gilbert Perreault	16	3	0	17
Martin St. Louis	15	3	0	18
John Bucyk	12	5	0	17
Richard Martin	14	1	0	15
Vyacheslav Starshinov	12	0	3	15
Marian Gaborik / Harry Hyland​	8 8​	0 0	0 0	8 8
Bernie Morris	13	1	0	12
Bun Cook	11	0	0	11
Dick Duff / John Madden (C / LW)​	7 3​	0 0​	0 4​	7 7
Bobby Holik	7	0	0	7
Frank Finnigan	8	0	5	13
Totals:	150	18	12	180

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

*Madden platoon with Holik and Duff depending on line shadowed and what side faceoff is on. Madden played LW with Holik and shut down Mario/Jagr in conf. final.

Estimated Minutes Per Game, Defensemen

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Chris Pronger	19	5	2	26
Scott Niedermayer	20	3	2	25
Jan Suchy	12	3	0	15
Harvey Pulford	15	0	3	18
Leo Boivin	13	0	3	16
Joe Simpson / Albert Leduc​	7 8​	3 0​	0 2​	10 10​
Totals:	93	14	12	120

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

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*Pronger/Niedermayer to play crucial minutes as a pair.

 

[kruezer]

Not sure if Velociraptor is gonna post his roster or not so figured I’d post my thoughts on our rosters tz.

A big similarity in our rosters is splitting our top 2 d. Put circumstances are a little different though. Since I have a lesser number 1 but better number 3 (at least in my eyes). Also with my number one being on my second pair, but I ha e less of a true number one and more of a top three by committee.

One of my coaching decisions would be to move bathgate up and down the top 3 lines against your team to try and get him away from Pronger at times. Would love to watch prime Pronger v prime Espo though.

Will post more later!

 

[kruezer]

Unsurprisingly I think I have a big advantage in net. That said I think one of the reasons that Fuhr has won the ATD a couple times just comes down to him being a really difficult guy to get a read on. I alternate on what I think of him all the time. He’s the exact type of guy that I feel I can prove he’s better than he gets ranked and then the next day I feel I can’t could show how he is worse and neither even requires much research.

Either way I’m not sure what the consensus would be on our team defenses (I feel like they are roughly equal personally) but I think if my team D is viewed as a notch or two below by anyone that Hasek should make up the difference in my favour.

 

[tinyzombies]

I would probably try to match up my Holik or Starshinov lines against your top line with Pronger/Suchy and have Prongermayer play the important minutes and important kills. Tougher to do on the road against Bowman so Pulford/Niedermayer would have to handle that. I think any of my lines could handle an Espo matchup. I have toughness on all three d pairings as well depending on what rules and if Espo has to be cleared out.

Fuhr always was an enigma to my mind. He was the best goalie in the world for several years. To me Hasek is the GOAT talent-wise so I agree. It’s been argued here at length that Fuhr is the last of that tier of goaltender in ATD, so I’m comfortable with him. I think my D is deep and balanced and my bottom two lines could match with almost anyone with Pronger behind them.

I think the speed on my Pp2 has an edge over your pk2. I would have Pronger out there on PK1 vs Espo of course.

Your bottom 6 would probably match up well vs any of my lines but Beliveau/Bucyk/Pronger is a load for anyone ina matchup. And my second line has blinding speed so I’m guessing JC has to handle that but not sure Conacher is up to it or your other two pairs.

On the road I would go more with Boivin/Leduc because of the Espo factor.

Jarvis was a wizard on the draw but I hav two right handed centers so that takes the edge off. You would start with the puck vs my pp1 quite a bit tho

 

[tinyzombies]

These guys are going to have all the spreadsheets etc.

 

[jarek]

Voting is now open for the regular season of the ATD and will close on Sunday, April 1st at midnight EST. Please send your votes to @Theokritos.

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