Value of: Willam Nylander trade scenarios
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HoweHullOrr
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Correct. All teams have alternatives and our players are not the only decent option available.
And the idea that trading Nylander as our silver bullet isn't the all encompassing solution that some folks are ostensibly suggesting. Posts #151 & #74 address this issue. I think we (some people) are glossing over and minimizing our cap situation and its impact to some extent.
Nice work. I think this is pretty reasonable. I don't think you are going to get a guy of Pesce's calibre, but maybe a tier below.
With that said, this is a pretty big downgrade from this years Leafs team. Teams with 9 ELC's typically don't do to well. This is a very top heavy lineup with very little depth. I think its safe to assume that at least 4 of your guys on ELCs do not come close to expectation/what they have done in the AHL. If that happens, I see this roster as a wild card level team. Not every prospect turns out, and most of these prospects have little to no NHL experience.
Djp
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What about horton?
jphmdpm vpi;d get OS or file arbitration and get more than that.
Pesce would cost more than just Kapanen.
On another thread someone though they could trade him for a 1 and a 2...not happening. a team could just OS him for a max contract for 4 yrs that only costs a 2nd in comp.
You need to trade Marner or Nylander for defense.
4chandler
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Crazy idea, keep and continue to develop Nylander, no one is defending his season or his contract if judged in the vacuum of this season but I would challenge other fanbases to be honest and say if you had a rookie that posted back to back 61 point seasons and is good on possession and has the potential to eventually shift to center you'd probably be forgiving of a growing pain season.
Nylander's development remind me of a higher end Kadri it may take some patience but I don't see him regressing or having hit near his ceiling.
7 million is the new 5 million with elite players getting 11 million, inflation.
As for getting another blueliner in Toronto, Leafs will be infinitely better with Hainsey and God willing Zaitsev gone. This team is fixed to build a blueline around an emerging/ed Rielly.
So I've made some excuses for Nylander but I feel there all reasonable.
I think a thought experiment that would improve discourse on this site would be asking yourself 'how might I judge this talent if he was on my team'
Nylander's development remind me of a higher end Kadri it may take some patience but I don't see him regressing or having hit near his ceiling.
7 million is the new 5 million with elite players getting 11 million, inflation.
As for getting another blueliner in Toronto, Leafs will be infinitely better with Hainsey and God willing Zaitsev gone. This team is fixed to build a blueline around an emerging/ed Rielly.
So I've made some excuses for Nylander but I feel there all reasonable.
I think a thought experiment that would improve discourse on this site would be asking yourself 'how might I judge this talent if he was on my team'
That’s up for debate. Zaitsev would probably be in the minor too if he was a Habs. The only difference is Montreal’s right side D is more stacked and better than Toronto’s
TaketheCannoli
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Other GMs aren't going to help the Leafs unless they outright win the trade. They are more likely to give them a boat anchor.
I would be looking to speed up our winning window given that Price and Weber are aging and to play Nylander at RW. Then we would have many players that could play center in a pinch but are actually wingers, which is a nice luxury I think. How long will it take for that 15th overall pick to make an impact in the NHL? I would also be curious to see who is available before trading the pick though.
Zaistev has been terrible for 2 years now.
Habs have the cap space to burry Alzner in the AHL until the end of his contract w/out a problem.
Leafs do not have the cap space
Therefore, they are trading from a posiiton of weakness where the other GM has the upperhand.
Thinking you'll not have to let go one of Liljegren or Sandin w/ Zaitsev to get rid of his contract is completely dellusionnal
The many problems or risk with Nylander is he sat out in order to get a raise, returned in not the best shape and then put up mediocre numbers .
If the leafs decide to move him , the team acquiring him should not be willing to bet the farm on a player who had more ? To his play, performance then answers, his cap hit also as much as people may believe it's reasonably cheap, Nylander seems more like a 4.5 million player than a 6 million plus,
Montreal is not nowhere near ready to be a true bona fide cup contender.
The team in itself won't go from not making the playoffs to winning a cup. Price is like Lundquist overly hyped , but fails to rise to the occasion during the playoffs.
Why Montreal gave price that kind of salary is beyond ridiculous for a guy who hasn't won a cup,
I would say if he can be a Consistent 60 point player that is worth 6M+. I would be willing to take my chances he would get 55+
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Stephen Gionta
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That's my point , it's the uncertainty. To many times we've seen players breakout just in time for their next contract and it seems once they secure that big payday , their level of play drops off in more cases than not.
Example toews and Kane both got rewarded and toews in his 8 year new contract year 4 finally has a year that great year , but the 3nyears prior he definitely wasn't earning his new salary.
@dellzor
Based on this thread, beating the hypothetical Islander package of
Mayfield (defensive 4RHD signed dirt cheap,
Wahlstrom (Top prospect),
Dal Colle (low cost roster depth with upside)
Stephen Gionta
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So from NJ this would probably be Santini + Boqvist + McLeod.
I'll pass for now because I think Boqvist can become a 50+ point player.
The Podium
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RHD are the most valuable commodity in hockey right now. Sure Zaitsev is overpaid, but he isnt bad. He may look terrible because Babcock is using him as a #1 shutdown D starting more in the Dzone than most D in the league. In a role better suited for him, or in a pairing where he can share defensive load (e.g. Muzzin has done wonders here), he looks so much better.
Look at what #4 FA D got last year:
Ian Cole (LD) - 3x4.25 mill
Nick Hjalmarsson (RD) - 2 x 5mill
Calvin De Haan (LD) - 4 x 4.55 mill
And while term is obviously shorter, Zaitsev has 5 years left on his deal so its not significantly more term and expires at a similar age to those guys.
No its okay let them trade Nylander.. if I'm Edmonton Im offering 8th overall pick (will not add to this unless im adding cap) straight up for him.. IF I can figure out a way to get him under the cap without losing too many assets.
Toronto might be better off with a cheaper rookie taking his place and 8th overall will have a similar ceiling.
It starts to fix our top 6:
Draisaitl - Mcdavid - plug
Nylander - RNH - plug
Chiarelli is not there anymore, zero chance Oilers offer the 8th pick, for a player that is scores at a similar rate as Milan Lucic, makes a million more and has a contract that runs 3yrs longer.'
Not to mention, during the playoffs Nylander is the worst player on the ice, every shift, no matter where he plays in the lineup.
Hard pass on this player.
Yeah no guarantee he is the right choice if we trade the 8th overall.. id have to see all options.. but I do think Nylander would have a great carreer in Edmonton's top 6.. might even click with Mcdavid. No reward without risk that's for sure. I'm just of the mindset that EDM already has the pieces it needs from the draft.. Im all for making the pick at #8 but I WOULD RATHER trade it for help NOW and start making the playoffs. As you can see you don't have to be the number 1 seed to do damage in the playoffs.
And that's NOT a chia comparable trade by the way. The 8th overall MAY end up better then Nylander but Nylander can play NOW. We are adding talent not subtracting. If we were subtracting talent by trading the 8th then yes I would agree with you. Nylander is also very young and be a part of the CORE.
