Will we be average for years to come? How about mediocre?

[Sens of Anarchy]

Average is looking pretty good right now

 

[NyQuil]

Average is looking pretty good right now

Don't look now, but we could win the lottery for Rasmus Dahlin.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Average is looking pretty good right now

Being a contender>Being really bad so you get high draft picks>Being average.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Nvm

 

[Agent Zub]

Being a contender>Being really bad so you get high draft picks>Being average.

Being contender > being bad enough to get lotto picks >being mediocre >>>>> being bad enough to get lotto picks but not having your picks

 

[Stylizer1]

Being contender > being bad enough to get lotto picks >being mediocre >>>>> being bad enough to get lotto picks but not having your picks

 

[Stylizer1]

We should have torn it down and not done a retool. New management is needed. Fresh set of eyes.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

We should have torn it down and not done a retool. New management is needed. Fresh set of eyes.

The fresh set of eyes thing....definitely needed. Whether it's Gm or assistant GM or pro scouts...we do need some different eyes to look at our players (and the rest of the league) from a neutral viewpoint. Melynk needs to open up the purse strings and add staff.

 

[Arkantoss]

can we rebuild now I don't like our players wah

 

[Stylizer1]

This thread was created on Nov 26, 2013.

 

[Boud]

This thread was created on Nov 26, 2013.

So, the conclusion of the discussion in hindsight is:

Yes.

And asking the question again but now going forward:

Probably, yes.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Yes. As the cap rises, the worse we'll get. We don't have the resources to be a consistently good team.

We may get a young or desperate coach for peanuts this summer and squeak into the playoffs next year for a one-and-done, but that's about it.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I'm reading the first page of this thread (from 4 years ago) and the situation is pretty much exactly the same as it is now, just some names are different.

We've been running in circles for a decade now, but I'm sure an 8th seed appearance next year will make everyone forget.

 

[Sens]

That Fuhr poster was on point during the whole Murray era ... if only people listened

 

[Langdon Alger]

That Fuhr poster was on point during the whole Murray era ... if only people listened

Yeah, kind of. He wouldn’t give Murray credit for anything and wouldn’t blame Muckler for anything. He even tried to argue the Arnason trade wasn’t bad. It certainly didn’t help us, but if Murray had made that deal I bet he would have thought differently.

Murray was a great coach, but not a great GM for us imo. I don’t like saying anything bad about him though. It’s sad he’s no longer with us. I miss him. He seemed like a very nice man.

I do think he stayed on for so long because it seemed like Melnyk loved him. Same thing happened in New York with the Rangers when Sather was GM. Apparently he and the owner were best friends and he never got fired even though the team did poorly. I mean, Murray’s teams did better than Sather’s, but you get my point.

Still love when he stood on the bench and yelled at Lindy Ruff in Buffalo. Was that more than a decade ago now? Time flies.

 

[Stylizer1]

Is Dorion the guy we want to rebuild this team?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Is Dorion the guy we want to rebuild this team?

 

[Karl Prime]

It's such a simple process, really.

Melnyk sells team
New owner hires all new front office and coaching staff
New owner can trade Phaneuf and buy out Ryan
Draft Rasmus Dahlin
Erik Karlsson returns to elite status
Chabot stays Chaboting
Logan Brown becomes true #1 C
White, Chlapik, Batherson, and Formenton become top 6
Jaros becomes Volchenkov.
Ceci turns into 2007 Chris Phillips
Hogberg (pronounced Hog-bae) turns into Hogquist.
Win Cups.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Is Dorion the guy we want?

Nope.

 

[Stylizer1]

We have been average for years now and if we start trading off our best players we will probably be bad you years to come,. Especially if Karlsson leaves this will be a hard team to cheer for. I really hope Brown turns into a #1 center. We need a big presence in the middle.

 

[jbeck5]

Yes. As the cap rises, the worse we'll get. We don't have the resources to be a consistently good team.

We may get a young or desperate coach for peanuts this summer and squeak into the playoffs next year for a one-and-done, but that's about it.

We need to spend more on staff if we're not gonna spend to the cap going forward. The only way you remain competitive while spending a lot less is by drafting and developing well so you have a bunch of good young cheap players before they become expensive. We also need to win most of our trades. We also can't afford to spend big money on average players.

Back in the Jacques Martin days we would never have had players like Ryan and Phaneuf making big money.

We would have guys like hossa or havlat sign for 2.6-4.5 million while letting the rangers pay 9 million for Bobby holik and we'd stay away. Now we're the ones paying the holiks of the world in Phaneuf and Ryan.

There was a time when the federovs commanded 10 million and we would stay well away. Why? Because we had enough talent coming through that we could sign for a couple million because they were RFAs. That's because our scouting and development was top notch.

Ufa age dropping from 30 to 27 makes it harder, but theres no reason we don't have the advantage until they're 27. Just keep drafting good young talent you keep cheap until they're too expensive to keep at 27. Let the other teams overpay for what they did in their early or mid 20s.

 

[Back in Black]

Will we be average for years to come?

You could have asked the same about last years team, since nobody (and I mean nobody) pegged the SENS to almost make it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Other than the absence of Method, we are pretty well the same team as last year.

EDIT: I should also mention the absence of Macarthur too, in time for the playoffs

 

[UnHappyDude]

This thread was created on Nov 26, 2013.

All praise the visionary OP

 

[Stylizer1]

You could have asked the same about last years team, since nobody (and I mean nobody) pegged the SENS to almost make it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Other than the absence of Method, we are pretty well the same team as last year.

EDIT: I should also mention the absence of Macarthur too, in time for the playoffs

Everybody knows the Sens made it as far as they did because the got the best possible match ups.

 

[Sun God Nika]

When you make moves like Zibanejad + 2nd for Brassard lmfaoooo its really hard to stay average.