Will Ovechkin beat Gretzky in all-time goals?

[AlexBrovechkin8]

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky

- Michael Scott

 

[member 300185]

But the real stat that means most to me is shots for.

Ovi in his career so far has 5,128 shots. in his nearly 14 year careers.

Gretzky has only 5,088 for his entire career.

That tells everyone that Gretzky is a much much better sniper than Ovi.

Gretzky got his 894 goals on just over 5000 shots.
Ovi got his 647 and had to take 40 more shots to do it.

Gretzky's shots were over a 20 year career. Ovi has already taken 40 more shots and is in his 14th year.

Ovi's S% is 12.5 over his 14 years.
Gretzkys S% was 17.6 over his 20 years.

Do you think Ovi's S% is going to go up over the next 4 or 5 years? Nope, S% always decline in a players last 5 years playing.

So you don't have to go very far to recognize Ovi is not even in the same class as Gretzky.

 

[Andon]

We don't need 2 pages of wall of text to understand that Gretzky scored a lot of goals in his 20s. This thread isn't really about how many goals Ovechkin will score in his 20s, it's about 33+. Gretzky's numbers took a huge nose dive in his 30s, there are many reasons but ultimately this thread comes down to longevity. That was the only thing Gretzky sucked at, in case of Ovie we don't really know yet.

 

[BallardEra]

894-647=247 is the actual math, so yea, as a 33 year old that would be very hard to get. And that is just a tie. Google is your friend.

You're a funny guy. That said, Ovi won't get within a 100 goals of that record and I'd bet on it.

You said that he wouldn't come within 100 goals of the record. Do the math. That's 793 goals which leaves Ovechkin 144 goals away.

793-649=144

Math is clearly not your friend.

 

[QuadrupleDeke]

But the real stat that means most to me is shots for.

Ovi in his career so far has 5,128 shots. in his nearly 14 year careers.

Gretzky has only 5,088 for his entire career.

That tells everyone that Gretzky is a much much better sniper than Ovi.

Gretzky got his 894 goals on just over 5000 shots.
Ovi got his 647 and had to take 40 more shots to do it.

Gretzky's shots were over a 20 year career. Ovi has already taken 40 more shots and is in his 14th year.

Ovi's S% is 12.5 over his 14 years.
Gretzkys S% was 17.6 over his 20 years.

Do you think Ovi's S% is going to go up over the next 4 or 5 years? Nope, S% always decline in a players last 5 years playing.

So you don't have to go very far to recognize Ovi is not even in the same class as Gretzky.

I found the worst take.

 

[member 300185]

Nothing to say about high scoring era?

Actually, scoring is almost identical in the 1980's vs 2000's. Do you know who put scoring higher in the 1980's? Gretzky, thats who.

 

[member 300185]

You said that he wouldn't come within 100 goals of the record. Do the math. That's 793 goals which leaves Ovechkin 144 goals away.

793-649=144

Math is clearly not your friend.[/QUOTEO

 

[Mulletman]

About 5 years ago the most conservative hockey experts around here were betting that Ovechkin would end his career with about 650 career goals. Well Ovechkin is now 1 goal away from that. But it looks like he could still have a few good years left in him after this one...

 

[member 300185]

You said that he wouldn't come within 100 goals of the record. Do the math. That's 793 goals which leaves Ovechkin 144 goals away.

793-649=144

Math is clearly not your friend.

Oh so you think Gretzky only scored 793? He scored 894. Research is clearly not your strong suit.

Also, Ovi only has 647 not 649.

Some of you are like talking to a child. Kids in Grade 3 can research the numbers better than you.

Let me make this clear to you young fellow.
Gretzky scored 894 regular season goals, not 793 like you suggest.
Ovi has scored 647, not 649 like you suggest.[/QUOTE]
Thats a difference of 247 goals.

I always get a kick when some (expletive) tells someone that they are not good at math and make worse mistakes than anyone when all they have to do is some simple research.

 

[BallardEra]

You're a funny guy. That said, Ovi won't get within a 100 goals of that record and I'd bet on it.

Can someone else explain this to him.

I give up.

 

[Mulletman]

Also, Ovi only has 647 not 649.

It's not updated yet on NHL.com. It is actually 649

 

[member 300185]

Can someone else explain this to him.

I give up.

Im not talking about my bet. I am talking about over all. And Gretzky still has 894 not 793. By the bet it would be 794 to tie and 795 for the win. Do you get it now?

 

[member 300185]

It's not updated yet on NHL.com. It is actually 649

Gotcha, thanks

 

[member 300185]

I found the worst take.

You mean the worst take that I got off of NHL.com? Ok then.

 

[AD1066]

Actually, scoring is almost identical in the 1980's vs 2000's. Do you know who put scoring higher in the 1980's? Gretzky, thats who.

Remove Gretzky and Lemieux from the league and scoring was still 30-40% higher back then. But whatever floats your boat.

 

[jcbeze]

for sure he will

 

[BallardEra]

Im not talking about my bet. I am talking about over all. And Gretzky still has 894 not 793. By the bet it would be 794 to tie and 795 for the win. Do you get it now?

No. You said he wouldn't get within 100 goals which means he can't hit 794.

794 BRINGS HIM WITHIN 100 GOALS.

That means you LOSE the bet.

For you to win the bet he needs to score 793 goals or less.

Congrats on being the worst poster I've ever replied to.

 

[LokiDog]

But the real stat that means most to me is shots for.

Ovi in his career so far has 5,128 shots. in his nearly 14 year careers.

Gretzky has only 5,088 for his entire career.

That tells everyone that Gretzky is a much much better sniper than Ovi.

Gretzky got his 894 goals on just over 5000 shots.
Ovi got his 647 and had to take 40 more shots to do it.

Gretzky's shots were over a 20 year career. Ovi has already taken 40 more shots and is in his 14th year.

Ovi's S% is 12.5 over his 14 years.
Gretzkys S% was 17.6 over his 20 years.

Do you think Ovi's S% is going to go up over the next 4 or 5 years? Nope, S% always decline in a players last 5 years playing.

So you don't have to go very far to recognize Ovi is not even in the same class as Gretzky.

...Have you seen the shots Gretzky scored on? Whether Ovechkin will play long enough, at a high enough level, to break Gretzky’s record is very much open for debate. Who is the better shooter between the two really isn’t. You’ve got Sean Burke and Tom Barasso in the mid-late 80s versus Lundqvist, Luongo and Fleury in the 2005-2015 range. Goalies are bigger, more mobile, butterfly style has been perfected. It’s much harder to beat goalies clean today.

 

[Matsun]

Actually, scoring is almost identical in the 1980's vs 2000's. Do you know who put scoring higher in the 1980's? Gretzky, thats who.

Since the lockout Pittsburgh has the highest Goals/Game with 3.09. Over Gretzky's first 14 seasons the lowest scoring team was the Hartford Whalers with 3.38 Goals/Game, way higher than any team post lockout.

 

[Plural]

Actually, scoring is almost identical in the 1980's vs 2000's. Do you know who put scoring higher in the 1980's? Gretzky, thats who.

That's a lie or you're entirely ignorant of the 80's scoring levels and 99's impact overall.

 

[AD1066]

In Gretzky's first 13 seasons, league-wide scoring averaged 7.50 goals per game (n=10,760). He scored 761 goals in that time.
In Ovechkin's first 13 seasons, league-wide scoring average 5.65 goals per game (n=15,521). He scored 607 goals in that time.

Gretzky scored 761/607 = 25% more goals, when scoring was 7.5/6.56 = 32% higher across the board. So Ovechkin has actually performed better relative to league-wide scoring, and has done so in a salary cap world with more parity between teams.

(Gretzky's goal scoring also fell off around this time. Which was, coincidentally, about when league-wide scoring declined. Ovechkin however currently remains well-positioned to win another Richard at age 33.)

 

[Mulletman]

Seems like many don't realize how bad Gretzky was at scoring goals in the end. Gretzky scored 91 goals in his last 5 seasons in the League. Ovechkin has 42 so far this season and when you add the 49 he scored last year it's also 91.

In his last 8 seasons in the League, Gretzky scored 176 goals. Ovechkin has scored 174 in his last 4 seasons. And he still has 22 games to add to that total.

 

[Plural]

Seems like many don't realize how bad Gretzky was at scoring goals in the end. Gretzky scored 91 goals in his last 5 seasons in the League. Ovechkin has 42 so far this season and when you add the 49 he scored last year it's also 91.

In his last 8 seasons in the League, Gretzky scored 176 goals. Ovechkin has scored 174 in his last 4 seasons. And he still has 22 games to add to that total.

Only select few don't understand this. Since Gretzky turned 32 he scored a grand total of 145 goals in 488 games.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Fun watching someone getting pwned so bad that they can no longer even find their way out

 

[Bedards Dad]

But the real stat that means most to me is shots for.

Ovi in his career so far has 5,128 shots. in his nearly 14 year careers.

Gretzky has only 5,088 for his entire career.

That tells everyone that Gretzky is a much much better sniper than Ovi.

Gretzky got his 894 goals on just over 5000 shots.
Ovi got his 647 and had to take 40 more shots to do it.

Gretzky's shots were over a 20 year career. Ovi has already taken 40 more shots and is in his 14th year.

Ovi's S% is 12.5 over his 14 years.
Gretzkys S% was 17.6 over his 20 years.

Do you think Ovi's S% is going to go up over the next 4 or 5 years? Nope, S% always decline in a players last 5 years playing.

So you don't have to go very far to recognize Ovi is not even in the same class as Gretzky.

It also shows Greztky played in an era with a MUCH lower sv%.

Average sv% over Gretzkys career - .887
Average sv% during Ovis career - .910