Will McDavid break Kucherov's Post-Lockout Points Record in 2021-22?

[WarriorofTime]

In 2018-19, Nikita Kucherov accumulated 128 points (41 goals and 87 assists) during the season. This is the most any player has achieved since the 2004-05 Lockout. In the most recent shortened season, McDavid had 105 points in just 56 games, which paced out to 82 games comes to 153.75 points, but obviously it is tough to say where exactly he would have finished in a full season.

Do you think McDavid will do it? Yes or no?

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[McFlash97]

with ease.

 

[More 2004]

He will score 150 then go on to get 2 in the playoffs.

 

[bobholly39]

McDavid had 104 points in 56 games last season.
In 2018-2019 - Kucherov had a stretch of 101 points in 56 consecutive games. Not that far off

Full season - 82 games. Half season = 41 games

The best 41 consecutive game stretch for McDavid last season was 77 points in 41 games
The best 41 consecutive game stretch for Kucherov in 2018-2019 season was 78 points in 41 games

McDavid had a fantastic season last year - but 56 games is not 82 games. People assuming he'd maintain his 56 game pace into 82 games and score 150+ points - I think you guys are gonna be thoroughly disappointed.

I think McDavid can surpass 128 points, but if he does, it'll be just barely. Maybe ~130-135. I voted yes - assuming no games missed/injuries, and full 82 game schedule. That's my prediction, around ~130. But it'll be close, and it'll be hard

 

[DickSmehlik]

Let’s see...superior player in his prime...likely higher scoring league.







My answer is “yes”.

 

[Zamknij kurwa ryj]

Easily. He's a vastly superior player and just hitting the upper echelon of his potential.

Also, Draisaitl would have done it in 2019-2020 if not for the season getting cancelled.

 

[Zamknij kurwa ryj]

McDavid had 104 points in 56 games last season.
In 2018-2019 - Kucherov had a stretch of 101 points in 56 consecutive games. Not that far off

Full season - 82 games. Half season = 41 games

The best 41 consecutive game stretch for McDavid last season was 77 points in 41 games
The best 41 consecutive game stretch for Kucherov in 2018-2019 season was 78 points in 41 games

McDavid had a fantastic season last year - but 56 games is not 82 games. People assuming he'd maintain his 56 game pace into 82 games and score 150+ points - I think you guys are gonna be thoroughly disappointed.

I think McDavid can surpass 128 points, but if he does, it'll be just barely. Maybe ~130-135. I voted yes - assuming no games missed/injuries, and full 82 game schedule. That's my prediction, around ~130. But it'll be close, and it'll be hard

Arbitrary sample sizes offer up a silly comparison considering McDavid's pace continued to increase throughout the season and you're handpicking a particular segment of Kucherov's production.

No reason why McDavid won't be putting up 120-140 points as a baseline over the course of the next few seasons with relative ease.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Easily. He's a vastly superior player and just hitting the upper echelon of his potential.

Also, Draisaitl would have done it in 2019-2020 if not for the season getting cancelled.

There's at least gotta be some chance of injury baked into the calculation I'd think

 

[Thenameless]

I'm really not sure. He's certainly capable of it talent wise, but then there's things like injuries (even nagging ones that don't make you miss games) and cold spells that can last from a few games to a few weeks. I'd give it less than a 50% chance.

 

[82Ninety42011]

I say yes to OP. My question is whose betting on McDrai hitting 250 points over a full season combined? I say they do it next season myself.

 

[Sweetpotato]

With how much is being made of the reffing and the need for consistency. I bet we see an adjustment next year to calling the game by the book ala 2005-2006(think that was the post lockout year).

Add that to the fact Holland likely adds a fair bit of depth at forward.

McDavid drops 150-170 next year if he's not being jumped every shift or is on the powerplay non-stop.

Normal year I'll say 135-145 so yes to OP.

 

[ijuka]

Yes assuming no significant injuries.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I say yes to OP. My question is whose betting on McDrai hitting 250 points over a full season combined? I say they do it next season myself.

That depends, does that double count goals where both get a point or only the total amount of goals at least 1 has a point on?

 

[82Ninety42011]

That depends, does that double count goals where both get a point or only the total amount of goals at least 1 has a point on?

Points total each so yes they can get two points on 1 goal.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Points total each so yes they can get two points on 1 goal.

Gotcha, I think that is certainly possible. Say McDavid gets 135 and Drais gets 115. I could see that happening.

 

[majormajor]

McDavid had 104 points in 56 games last season.
In 2018-2019 - Kucherov had a stretch of 101 points in 56 consecutive games. Not that far off

Full season - 82 games. Half season = 41 games

The best 41 consecutive game stretch for McDavid last season was 77 points in 41 games
The best 41 consecutive game stretch for Kucherov in 2018-2019 season was 78 points in 41 games

McDavid had a fantastic season last year - but 56 games is not 82 games. People assuming he'd maintain his 56 game pace into 82 games and score 150+ points - I think you guys are gonna be thoroughly disappointed.

I think McDavid can surpass 128 points, but if he does, it'll be just barely. Maybe ~130-135. I voted yes - assuming no games missed/injuries, and full 82 game schedule. That's my prediction, around ~130. But it'll be close, and it'll be hard

On the other hand McDavid has upped his points per game every year of his career. So 1.56 points per game over 82 games then would seem very achievable, as he was well ahead of that pace this year. I do agree that there is a good chance he gets injured somewhere along the line, but other than that I think he probably would top 130, perhaps by a lot.

I think much of it will depend on what Edmonton does to beef up their scoring depth. This year his highest scoring linemate at 5v5 was Puljujarvi, who wasn't even a half-point-per-game guy. They finally have the cap flexibility to make big changes there.

 

[psycat]

Arbitrary sample sizes offer up a silly comparison considering McDavid's pace continued to increase throughout the season and you're handpicking a particular segment of Kucherov's production.

No reason why McDavid won't be putting up 120-140 points as a baseline over the course of the next few seasons with relative ease.

McDavid also faced same handful of teams over and over, wont happen next year. Sure his inflated ice+pp-time is a strong point in his favor, one could even argue that he should beat Kucherovs mark to be considered on the same level given that he plays a lot more and scoring is up. It will be close but voting no till I see it(given that it's been quite awhile since somebody did hit 130).

Anyway we will see but honestly at this point it would be more important for his career if he could perform in the playoffs a year or five.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

If he’s healthy I think he could break 140.

He would have only needed 35 points in the last 26 games of the season this past year, which is extremely doable for him

 

[The Moose is Loose]

McDavid also faced same handful of teams over and over, wont happen next year. Sure his inflated ice+pp-time is a strong point in his favor, one could even argue that he should beat Kucherovs mark to be considered on the same level given that he plays a lot more and scoring is up. It will be close but voting no till I see it(given that it's been quite awhile since somebody did hit 130).

Anyway we will see but honestly at this point it would be more important for his career if he could perform in the playoffs a year or five.

I don’t know if I’d call it “been a while”

Last 3 years:
18/19: Kucherov- 128 points (McDavid 122 point pace)
19/20: Draisaitl-128 point pace
20/21: McDavid- 154 point pace

so it’s not like Kucherov season is a massive outlier

 

[KCC]

McDavid had 104 points in 56 games last season.
In 2018-2019 - Kucherov had a stretch of 101 points in 56 consecutive games. Not that far off

Full season - 82 games. Half season = 41 games

The best 41 consecutive game stretch for McDavid last season was 77 points in 41 games
The best 41 consecutive game stretch for Kucherov in 2018-2019 season was 78 points in 41 games

McDavid had a fantastic season last year - but 56 games is not 82 games. People assuming he'd maintain his 56 game pace into 82 games and score 150+ points - I think you guys are gonna be thoroughly disappointed.

I think McDavid can surpass 128 points, but if he does, it'll be just barely. Maybe ~130-135. I voted yes - assuming no games missed/injuries, and full 82 game schedule. That's my prediction, around ~130. But it'll be close, and it'll be hard

Scary to think what McDavid would put up if he was on Tampa. They are stacked. To me, it's even more impressive considering the talent surrounding McDavid. Outside of Draisaitl he really does it all by himself. lol

 

[Hint1k]

Oh yeah those two Oilers looser desperately trying to be in the same tier as Kucherov. They may very well catch up with his regular season record one day, but by that time Kucherov is likely having 3 cups and several playoff records. Good luck catching that 2nd tier players.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I don’t know if I’d call it “been a while”

Last 3 years:
18/19: Kucherov- 128 points (McDavid 122 point pace)
19/20: Draisaitl-128 point pace
20/21: McDavid- 154 point pace

so it’s not like Kucherov season is a massive outlier

The poster you quoted said "it's been quite a while since someone hit 130".

You didn't post anything to disprove that. Pace doesn't mean shit. The last time someone actually hit 130pts was 25 years ago. So what the poster said is true.

 

[daver]

Scary to think what McDavid would put up if he was on Tampa. They are stacked. To me, it's even more impressive considering the talent surrounding McDavid. Outside of Draisaitl he really does it all by himself. lol

He would have more team success, I doubt his numbers increase though. Great players tend to get their stats regardless of team strength/linemates, Wayne, Mario, Jagr, Crosby etc..., that's what makes them great.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Not even the playoffs/offseason can save us from the non stop Can McDavid Do This Or That threads.

 

[bobholly39]

On the other hand McDavid has upped his points per game every year of his career. So 1.56 points per game over 82 games then would seem very achievable, as he was well ahead of that pace this year. I do agree that there is a good chance he gets injured somewhere along the line, but other than that I think he probably would top 130, perhaps by a lot.

I think much of it will depend on what Edmonton does to beef up their scoring depth. This year his highest scoring linemate at 5v5 was Puljujarvi, who wasn't even a half-point-per-game guy. They finally have the cap flexibility to make big changes there.

My point is that Kucherov had a similar pace as McDavid for a 56 game stretch in his season, but slowed down outside of it. It's easier to do it for 56 games than a full 82 games. If you want to isolate a 41 game stretch, Kucherov's best 41 consecutive games is actually 1 point higher than McDavid.

so - I get that McDavid's ppg has increased every year, but unique circumstances past season (Covid, north division) + shortened season make last year's increase a bit of an outlier, and not necessarily repeatable. And other than last season, he's actually never had a season where he paced for 130+ points - his best ppg was 1.52ppg, which translates to ~125 points.

I think he can do 130, but it'll probably be close to where he maxes out, and it'll be close. Passing it by "a lot" would be really fun to watch, but super unlikely.

Scary to think what McDavid would put up if he was on Tampa. They are stacked. To me, it's even more impressive considering the talent surrounding McDavid. Outside of Draisaitl he really does it all by himself. lol

It's never a bad thing to play with more talent of course - but it's always a bit of a trade off. McDavid gets a ton of ice time and gets relied on tremendously. On a much deeper team like Tampa, he'd be relied on a bit less, so there's a tradeoff there. Maybe he scores more on Tampa, but it's not a guarantee, and it's not certain how much more he'd score.