Will Marian Hossa make the hall of fame?

[cowboy82nd]

If he doesn't make it, he can always visit. Though he might break out in hive if he gets too close to Mario Lemieux's enshrined jockstrap he wore during his five goals-five ways game.

Funny, I didn't see the jock strap there. Did someone borrow it?

 

[hawksrule]

1000% he will.

 

[Incognito]

There's definitely worse players than Hossa in the HHoF. He'll get in.

 

[JaegerDice]

I just was reading Gretzky s book "hockey stories" and some other aticles and in all of that was it about Kane Toews Kieth and Seabrook full stop. These guys were kids when Hossa came to Chicago, as Bowmen said Hossa brought the wining mentality there. Some veteran players like Peter Sykora said after the 2015 run that Hossa was the best player for Chicago despite not having the most points, but when he was on ice the game was in the offensive zone. It is not only about scoring. For me only Kane from those 4 has such a talent like Hossa who can alone break a game. Toews is mentally strong but not such a talented player but yes he is like Claude Lemieux or Bobby Holik but his numbers will never be great.

With all due respect to Peter Sykora, 2015 is not the run you want to pick when debating which Blackhawks player was best. That one is probably the only cup run (or hell, the only deep playoff run) where everybody with functioning eyeballs picked the same guy as the Blackhawks best player.

 

[Drgi]

I just was reading Gretzky s book "hockey stories" and some other aticles and in all of that was it about Kane Toews Kieth and Seabrook full stop. These guys were kids when Hossa came to Chicago, as Bowmen said Hossa brought the wining mentality there. Some veteran players like Peter Sykora said after the 2015 run that Hossa was the best player for Chicago despite not having the most points, but when he was on ice the game was in the offensive zone. It is not only about scoring. For me only Kane from those 4 has such a talent like Hossa who can alone break a game. Toews is mentally strong but not such a talented player but yes he is like Claude Lemieux or Bobby Holik but his numbers will never be great.

No question in my mind that Hossa get's in the HOF.
And to reply to your little story ... Hossa was as integral to the three cups as Kane, Toews, Keith and Seabs. There was also a great supporting cast of supporting actors in the three runs. It is a team after all. But Hoss was integral .. no question. How many cups will these guys win without Hoss? Not really a fair question seeing as the miles put onto their bodies has taken it's toll ( see Seabs and to a lesser extent Keith ). They won their three cups .. probably there will be no more with this group.

How old was Messier and other former oilers wenn they won the cup in New York in 1994 ? If the "Kane Toews Kieth Seabrook" core of Chicago dynasty is so talented they should have no problem to win another cup.

 

[Conbon]

He might be allergic to the HOF.

Hope he doesnt just because that obvious cap circumvention left a sour taste.

 

[Drgi]

I don t know Duncan Kieth is good defensman but for me he was never such a dominant player like Brian Leech or Chris Pronger. It is also much easier to play behind such defensive strong offensive line. I have diferent view on this.

 

[hairylikebear]

Hossa was too good to be forgotten. He needs to be enshrined in the Hall.

 

[crazyhawk]

How old was Messier and other former oilers wenn they won the cup in New York in 1994 ? If the "Kane Toews Kieth Seabrook" core of Chicago dynasty is so talented they should have no problem to win another cup.

The topic of this thread is whether Hossa makes the HOF .. in which the answer from this poster is yes.
Your opinion on the Hawk's accepted core of the fab 4 being less than stellar is just that ... your opinion. I doubt Seabs, Keith, Toews nor Kaner will lose any sleep over it.

 

[shello]

Let others have said anyone that's reached 500 goals should be in it. 3 cups don't hurt either.

 

[Sensung]

Will he. ?

Should he. Absolutely

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

Have a look at the Complete Roster for Hockey Hall-of-Fame players. There are- what? over 260 male players already inducted. Marian Hossa is comfortably superior to more than half-of-'em, at least.

He's in. Whether or not he'll be First Ballot should be the only suspense.

 

[Blues88]

Hossa isn’t a pity case. He’s not going to get inducted because there are far worst off players already in the Hall. He’s very deserving.

Seems you might have missed some context here.....I think Hossa is absolutely a worthy candidate and I believe and hope he gets in first ballot. I was responding to a pretty bad argument that inferred his induction would be "lowering the floor" further. He's going to get inducted because he should get inducted.

Not really. There being worse players in the HOF isn't an argument in his favour, it just means the committee has error'd before.

Well first, how have they "error-d?" Do you know their mandate? Do you know their induction criteria? This is such a common refrain that I'm betting very few give it any deeper thought. Just throw out Clark Gillies or Joe Nieuwendyke and scoff at the stupidity of the committee, right?

The person I originally responded to claimed that inducting Hossa would be tantamount to "lowering the floor," and that no one was going to tell their kids about the times they got to watch Hossa play hockey. Do you agree with that? I certainly don't.

Of course inducting "worse" players works in Hossa's favor. Even if the committee had a player who represented their cut-off between induction and refusal, Hossa MORE than eclipses that player. Take a look. There have been way more inductees that Hossa competes with on a cumulative career level than there are guys who blow his career out of the water. This "purity of the hall" movement among some fans feels weird, especially given who makes up the majority of player inductees. It's a myth....a nonsensical myth....that only the uber elite should be worthy. Where is that established, and my god, how boring would the Hall be?

 

[GreatGonzo]

Seems you might have missed some context here.....I think Hossa is absolutely a worthy candidate and I believe and hope he gets in first ballot. I was responding to a pretty bad argument that inferred his induction would be "lowering the floor" further. He's going to get inducted because he should get inducted.



Well first, how have they "error-d?" Do you know their mandate? Do you know their induction criteria? This is such a common refrain that I'm betting very few give it any deeper thought. Just throw out Clark Gillies or Joe Nieuwendyke and scoff at the stupidity of the committee, right?

The person I originally responded to claimed that inducting Hossa would be tantamount to "lowering the floor," and that no one was going to tell their kids about the times they got to watch Hossa play hockey. Do you agree with that? I certainly don't.

Of course inducting "worse" players works in Hossa's favor. Even if the committee had a player who represented their cut-off between induction and refusal, Hossa MORE than eclipses that player. Take a look. There have been way more inductees that Hossa competes with on a cumulative career level than there are guys who blow his career out of the water. This "purity of the hall" movement among some fans feels weird, especially given who makes up the majority of player inductees. It's a myth....a nonsensical myth....that only the uber elite should be worthy. Where is that established, and my god, how boring would the Hall be?

Ah I must have missed that part. Ya that’s ridiculous. Just further shows how underrated Hossa is.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It's not the Hall of Very Good.

No.

I mean, it kind of is. They let anyone in

 

[Jtown]

I don t know Duncan Kieth is good defensman but for me he was never such a dominant player like Brian Leech or Chris Pronger. It is also much easier to play behind such defensive strong offensive line. I have diferent view on this.

Duncan keith is the f***ing reason why dmen like luke schenn are obsolete. Duncan keith changed the modern game more than those other dmen . Try dump and chase against duncan keith and see what happens.

 

[MadLuke]

Of the 1995-2000 draft

Joe Thorton
Chara
Iginla
Luongo
Sedin
Sedin
Datsyuk
Lundqvist
Hossa
Marleau
Zetterberg
Doan
Lecavalier
Richard
Ryan Miller

That 6 draft, if they get 2 players in average by draft year that would be around 12 of those, it is not easy to put more than 8 of those above Hossa, that leave him a lot of room.

Being in the top 10 in regular scoring between 1995 to now, +245 in talk of Selke wingers, 3 cups, #6 in playoff scoring between 1995 to now only behind Crosby, Sakic, Forsberg, Malkin, Lidstrom all playoff elite hall of farmer themselve.

+Strong international play Should be easy in.

From hockey reference:

Thru 19 Years	Adjusted Point Shares (Best to Worst)
Player	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
Marian Hossa		12.4	11.1	10.8	10.2	9.9	9.4	9.0	8.6	8.6	8.5	7.7	7.2	7.0	7.0	7.0	5.8	4.0	3.7	-0.1
Mark Messier	95.0	11.6	11.3	10.1	9.6	9.2	9.2	9.1	9.0	8.2	8.0	7.2	6.8	6.8	6.6	6.0	5.1	3.9	3.6	0.9
Brendan Shanahan	94.9	11.6	10.5	10.5	10.5	10.3	9.3	8.9	8.9	7.9	7.5	7.2	6.9	6.7	6.7	6.1	5.9	5.7	3.5	0.3
Luc Robitaille	94.1	11.6	10.3	10.1	9.6	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.2	8.4	7.9	7.9	7.0	6.4	6.1	5.9	5.3	4.4	2.7	1.8
Daniel Alfredsson	93.6	12.3	11.5	10.4	10.0	9.3	9.2	8.1	7.9	7.7	7.5	7.4	7.1	5.8	5.6	5.3	4.5	3.2	2.7
Joe Thornton	93.3	13.3	12.2	12.1	11.9	10.0	9.6	9.5	8.8	8.4	8.3	7.9	7.8	7.5	7.2	6.5	5.7	4.3	4.3	-0.5
Pierre Turgeon	93.2	11.7	10.2	9.8	9.5	9.4	9.1	9.0	8.8	8.7	8.1	7.9	7.6	6.9	5.3	4.7	4.6	4.3	2.0	0.8
Mike Modano	93.0	10.7	10.7	10.2	10.2	9.7	9.6	9.5	8.4	8.0	7.9	7.2	6.8	5.8	5.7	5.7	5.5	5.4	3.4	3.1
Mats Sundin	93.0	11.0	10.3	10.3	9.8	9.2	9.1	9.0	8.9	8.9	8.9	8.7	8.4	8.2	7.5	7.3	6.2	3.9	2.4
Stan Mikita	92.2	11.2	10.6	9.8	9.8	9.6	8.9	8.1	8.1	8.1	7.8	7.8	7.5	6.4	6.1	4.8	4.4	4.0	1.5	0.0
Mark Recchi	91.8	10.7	10.7	9.7	9.4	9.4	8.9	8.7	8.2	8.1	7.8	7.4	6.6	6.4	5.6	5.2	4.8	4.4	3.8	-0.3

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[ColbyChaos]

It’s hard to root for a guy that faked an injury to retire. His allergic rash began the first year his actual salary dropped to only $1 million.

He is a scum bag

'Body says you have to stop': Marian Hossa speaks about the...

Cant believe he went as far as making his body bleed fake blood from the condition

 

[Pens x]

'Body says you have to stop': Marian Hossa speaks about the...

Cant believe he went as far as making his body bleed fake blood from the condition

I can’t believe this only became a problem once his actual salary dropped to $1 million.

 

[ColbyChaos]

I can’t believe this only became a problem once his actual salary dropped to $1 million.

I cant believe you are still clinging to a conspiracy when its been an issue for multiple years would you have felt better if he risked his health and flirted with shortening his life span for you?

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Again, why fake something like that, which is inherently open to ridicule, and is also actually testable, versus pronounced and chronic knee or back pain, which is essentially impossible to disprove and something that nobody would force a player to play through for liability reasons?

 

[Pens x]

Hossa was a great player but he just went out horribly. If he had done it a year sooner I think there wouldn’t be an issue. It’s is just beyond a coincidence that he happened to retire before his contract decreased by 75%.

 

[Tripp Longfellow]

Hossa was a great player but he just went out horribly. If he had done it a year sooner I think there wouldn’t be an issue. It’s is just beyond a coincidence that he happened to retire before his contract decreased by 75%.

?

He still would have been paid his salary that year through LTIR, so I’m not sure why that would matter.

 

[MyBudJT]

It's not the Hall of Very Good.

No.

Its not the "Hall of Great" either...

 

[ES]

I think he should. I would also say he's 2nd best player of independent Slovakia with only Chara ahead of him.