Injury Report: Will Gaborik retire if he gets bad news in L.A.?

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Is it really a big deal to live in a hotel to finish out the season and then go back to house shop on your own time as opposed to rushing into it? Honestly, what's the rush? Once the summer starts, he can take his time and not worry about practice or games (not that he has too now that he's injured).

I really think him not having bought or rented a place yet is a non-issue. If he had been traded in the offseason and made it this far in a hotel, or heck, even into the reg season, that's a bit different, but I don't see why a deadline acquisition would necessarily rush out and buy or rent a house.

Have you ever stayed in a hotel for 2 months? Especially when you have 10's of millions burning a hole in your pocket? Just pretty strange. When these guys move they don't even have to lift a finger. Just make the call and all your stuff is on a truck to your new house.

 

[jbeck5]

Is it really a big deal to live in a hotel to finish out the season and then go back to house shop on your own time as opposed to rushing into it? Honestly, what's the rush? Once the summer starts, he can take his time and not worry about practice or games (not that he has too now that he's injured).

I really think him not having bought or rented a place yet is a non-issue. If he had been traded in the offseason and made it this far in a hotel, or heck, even into the reg season, that's a bit different, but I don't see why a deadline acquisition would necessarily rush out and buy or rent a house.

You have to remember these are multi millionaires. You can't compare them to us. Everything you describe is what we would do. Not what multi millionaires do. They don't usually live in hotels for months when they can rent a fully furnished home for 6 months or a year with ease.

All I'm saying is something smells fishy and I'm not alone in that line of thinking,and for good reason.

Trade happens...everyone wonders what's the point...there's gotta be something more...gaborik still living out of hotel...gaborik going to see specialist for undisclosed reasons...

Something might just be up is all I'm saying.

 

[stempniaksen]

Guys have lived out of hotels for longer than that, I honestly think you guys are reading into this too much.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Gabby got some kind of indication that a buyout was coming this summer if he isn't LTIR'ed. Everyone and their mother knew as soon as the deal went down that he wouldn't play out his contract in Ottawa.

 

[Micklebot]

Have you ever stayed in a hotel for 2 months? Especially when you have 10's of millions burning a hole in your pocket? Just pretty strange. When these guys move they don't even have to lift a finger. Just make the call and all your stuff is on a truck to your new house.

Hotels are a lot more fun when you don't worry about the cost, and I imagine he's in a suite, so it's not much different than an apartment tbh. If he's in one of the luxury suites, it's something like 800 square feet.

The thing is, moving is never painless. Sure, they have packers and movers doing the heavy lifting, but it still sucks.

 

[Silencio]

Hotels are a lot more fun when you don't worry about the cost, and I imagine he's in a suite, so it's not much different than an apartment tbh. If he's in one of the luxury suites, it's something like 800 square feet.

I took a look at the Brookstreet "master suite" on their website - it's basically a nice condo.

 

[BonkTastic]

Guys have lived out of hotels for longer than that, I honestly think you guys are reading into this too much.

Seriously.

Every traded player lives out of a hotel for a while. That's just the life of a pro athlete. It comes with the job.

 

[Micklebot]

I took a look at the Brookstreet "master suite" on their website - it's basically a nice condo.

Pretty much. Nothing wrong with living in one of those for a couple months.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's his back

 

[TeamRenzo]

Pretty much. Nothing wrong with living in one of those for a couple months.

Living out of a suitcase for an extended period of time sucks. Nothing is your own and you feel like a guest.

 

[topshelf15]

It's his back

Yep he is retiring.....Back issues are bad in your 20,s ,when you are 37 they are much worse

 

[Sensung]

Yep he is retiring.....Back issues are bad in your 20,s ,when you are 37 they are much worse

LTIR seems far more likely.

 

[Micklebot]

Living out of a suitcase for an extended period of time sucks. Nothing is your own and you feel like a guest.

I guess, but he's on the road half the time anyways, he's likely only been in Ottawa for ~25 days when you consider the travel schedule. This is kind of just life for hockey players. It's also worth noting that what people think of when they say "living out of a suitcase", and planning to occupy a hotel suite for a couple months are very different concepts; as already pointed out, the hotel suite is essentially a furnished apartment.

 

[topshelf15]

LTIR seems far more likely.

Yep you are right ,either way with a back issue at his age ..He is very likely not coming back from that

 

[Micklebot]

LTIR seems far more likely.

Honestly, I think the two can be used somewhat synonymously, everyone understands that he won't officially retire and leave millions on the table if he can't get cleared to play anyways.

Worth pointing out, Alfie had back surgery at 37 and played a couple more seasons, so it not unheard of for older guys to get the surgery and continue playing if the desire is there. This might fast track his decision to move on though.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Does anybody know if he had back injuries prior to signing his current contract?

I'm not sure exactly how the pre-existing condition clause works with insured contracts. I assume it has to do with whether issues existed at the time the contract was signed.

If Gaborik ends up LTIRetired, and we only have to pay 20 percent of his salary, the end result is that the Senators save an average of 3.25M for the next three seasons compared to what they would have spent had they kept Phaneuf. So it comes down to, would you rather the Sens have spent an avg of 6.16 per season on Phaneuf, or an average of 2.91M to not have Phaneuf.

 

[Micklebot]

Does anybody know if he had back injuries prior to signing his current contract?

I'm not sure exactly how the pre-existing condition clause works with insured contracts. I assume it has to do with whether issues existed at the time the contract was signed.

If Gaborik ends up LTIRetired, and we only have to pay 20 percent of his salary, the end result is that the Senators save an average of 3.25M for the next three seasons compared to what they would have spent had they kept Phaneuf. So it comes down to, would you rather the Sens have spent an avg of 6.16 per season on Phaneuf, or an average of 2.91M to not have Phaneuf.

That comes down to how much you think it would cost to replace Phaneuf in the lineup. If we can have a slightly better Dman for 3.25 a year or less, then it's better to not have Phaneuf. 3.25 doesn't go very far these days, but if we were to draft Dahlin, he'd probably be the one to step into those mins meaning the savings can be used elsewhere. If we draft one of the forwards then we can sign someone as a UFA... at that price, maybe we can get Emelin...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Does anybody know if he had back injuries prior to signing his current contract?

I'm not sure exactly how the pre-existing condition clause works with insured contracts. I assume it has to do with whether issues existed at the time the contract was signed.

If Gaborik ends up LTIRetired, and we only have to pay 20 percent of his salary, the end result is that the Senators save an average of 3.25M for the next three seasons compared to what they would have spent had they kept Phaneuf. So it comes down to, would you rather the Sens have spent an avg of 6.16 per season on Phaneuf, or an average of 2.91M to not have Phaneuf.

As far as I can tell his injuries causing him to miss time are
Groin
Left Hip; operated on
Cut Right Leg
Shoulder
Left Knee (chronic) ; operated on
Collar bone broken
Right foot broken
Back (recent Senators)

 

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Why would his wife not trust his judgement to buy or rent a house that they'll only be using for a couple years and make him live out of a hotel when it's all his earned money. They can keep their LA home. It would really just be a temporary 3rd or 4th home for him. It's not like they'd need to spend a year shopping like us regular folk.

If I was worth 30 million or something, I wouldn't live out of a hotel for half the year when I could easily swap 500k houses like it's nothing every year.

You have to remember that you're comparing yourself to a multi millionaire who can own several homes.

If he buys a house in Ottawa it doesn't mean he has to sell his current LA home and move everything he owns here. It's not as dramatic as us moving. It's not a giant life move.

He doesn't even have to move anything. He can keep his house in L.A fully furnished and buy everything he needs here, clothes, appliances, electronics, furniture, cookware, cars. Everything. It's a joke for them.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

As far as I can tell his injuries causing him to miss time are
Groin
Left Hip; operated on
Cut Right Leg
Shoulder
Left Knee (chronic) ; operated on
Collar bone broken
Right foot broken
Back (recent Senators)

I am not sure exactly how pre-existing conditions are established. But I guess what I am getting it, is maybe the reason they "chose" to have him evaluated for his back, is because it's not something that was "pre-existing" at the time of his contract and is bad enough to give him the Hossa treatment where he could plausibly yell "ow" when a doctor points to his back, and despite previously playing through that kind of wear and tear, it's considered bad enough that he'll "fail" his end of season/start of season physicals?

We'll see what happens I guess. I know Dorion hasn't gotten many high fives lately, but may he deserves at least a fist bump if this trade works out with Gaborik insured and a minimal amount of retention on Phaneuf.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I am not sure exactly how pre-existing conditions are established. But I guess what I am getting it, is maybe the reason they "chose" to have him evaluated for his back, is because it's not something that was "pre-existing" at the time of his contract and is bad enough to give him the Hossa treatment where he could plausibly yell "ow" when a doctor points to his back, and despite previously playing through that kind of wear and tear, it's considered bad enough that he'll "fail" his end of season/start of season physicals?

We'll see what happens I guess. I know Dorion hasn't gotten many high fives lately, but may he deserves at least a fist bump if this trade works out with Gaborik insured and a minimal amount of retention on Phaneuf.

I am hoping his back is something new and if serious / long term the Sens can get insurance to pay his salary. Its an odd position to be in with an older player that has seen his share of injuries because if he does get cleared ... do you play him or sit him in the stands... If the Sens were planning on a buy out his latest injury puts a damper on that. LTIR financially could be the best scenario but that is a risky proposition to count on.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

That comes down to how much you think it would cost to replace Phaneuf in the lineup. If we can have a slightly better Dman for 3.25 a year or less, then it's better to not have Phaneuf. 3.25 doesn't go very far these days, but if we were to draft Dahlin, he'd probably be the one to step into those mins meaning the savings can be used elsewhere. If we draft one of the forwards then we can sign someone as a UFA... at that price, maybe we can get Emelin...

It'll be interesting to see if Phaneuf shows any major decline over the next three seasons. That will really establish how much the Senators gained from this deal. Also keep in mind, there most likely will be another expansion draft during the remaining duration of Phaneuf's contract.

Because of the way ELCs and RFA deals shake out, I don't think it's as simple as how much it'll cost us to replace a 2nd pairing D, because next year as you alluded to, we very well could have Dahlin (and Chabot) playing those minutes on their ELCs.

I think it comes down to how efficiently we put the salary savings to use on our entire team, not just at that position.

Also, keep in mind, the numbers I provided consider the cost of a 650k roster player added since Phaneuf/Gaborik would have taken a spot and absolved us from the responsibility of of filling one of our 23 spots. So if you're visualizing how much we save, there's that to consider.

 

[aragorn]

At Gaborik's age they probably just shut him down for the yr & sent him home. Quite the coincidence that the doctor he is seeing is also in the city where he was living during his time with LA. I'm quite sure there will be lots of discussions as to what they will do with him moving forward & whether he is a candidate for a buyout. His contract is pretty much impossible to deal & it's either he returns & plays next season in Ottawa or they buy him out. I doubt he could play a full season anyway & like Ryan he may miss half the yr.

When is Seattle suppose to join the league & will that affect what Ottawa does with some contracts & what they do with some prospects in the next yr or two?

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

You have to remember these are multi millionaires. You can't compare them to us. Everything you describe is what we would do. Not what multi millionaires do. They don't usually live in hotels for months when they can rent a fully furnished home for 6 months or a year with ease.

All I'm saying is something smells fishy and I'm not alone in that line of thinking,and for good reason.

Trade happens...everyone wonders what's the point...there's gotta be something more...gaborik still living out of hotel...gaborik going to see specialist for undisclosed reasons...

Something might just be up is all I'm saying.

If its just one guy, why would he want a house for three months or whatever when he doesnt know whats going on come the end of the season?

Its a lot of effort to bring forth a lot more effort. When instead he can just live in a nice hotel room, not have to worry about cleaning or cooking or anything, then figure shit out in the offseason with his family?

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Maybe Marian Gaborik is the Howard Hughes of hockey.

 

[Engineer]

Maybe Marian Gaborik is the Howard Hughes of hockey.

An eccentric that becomes a recluse?