Why Ovi is actually Brett Hull

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  1. MessierII Registered User

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    Yeah he had that ability to find the sweet spots like most great snipers. I also think his one timer was probably the best ever.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    Stats are great. They just have to be interpreted well.
     
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    yeah, it is amusing that as of today Brett and OV have exacts same number of ES goals 456 and PP goals 265
    Brett has 20 and OV has 4 SH goals (hard to catch without playing SH)
    OV played 83 fewer games (almost a full season worth)
     
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    Is it amazing how many players get overrated by people pulling the "bro, they played in the same era as Gretzky and Lemieux it doesn't count!"

    Aside from his 86-goal super season Hull never finished higher than third in the Hart voting and was never in the Lindsay/Pearson running. The year he finished third in 89-90, Gretzky finished fourth with just 16 votes - not even a relevant candidate. In 91-92 when he finished third, Lemieux finished FIFTH behind some dude named Kirk McLean in Vancouver.

    He was not stuck behind them. He was a very good player but not on the level some of you are trying to remember. And I liked Brett Hull growing up.
     
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    The one thing I'll give to Hull, is he did it with a wooden stick.
     
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    When he first got to St.Louis sure (Used a Christian stick I believe) but he was one of the first to use the aluminum stick.
     
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    Legit windup. All power.

    None of that flex garbage.
     
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    I had it too.
     
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    Bobby Hull's complete game was phenomenal. He played a 200' game. If he wouldn't have played those years in the WHA he may have the most goals record. Ovechkin is no where near the player he was.
     
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    I still have one of those aluminum sticks. Hard to believe those were legal lol. You high stick someone with that you might cave in their face. I guess I could ask Doug Gilmour.
     
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    Yeah, Ovie is much better.
     
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    You can think that all you want. Your opinion is different than mine and most hockey people though. Nothing wrong with that. Curious if you ever had the pleasure to watch Hull play?
     
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    the 80’s had smaller goalie pads, weaker systems and lesser developed scouting that all added to scoring, bbut modern players have insane composite sticks, much better training regimens and the advantage of no two line offsides pass that benefit them...
     
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    Brett Hull was a fantastic hockey player. Ovie is a generational talent.

    I've watched hockey since the late 70s and I've watched a lot of Brett Hull.
     
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    At this point, might as well go

    Ovi - Gretzky - Hull

    Lmaoooo at the notion of Brett Hull not being generational
     
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    Ovi at his prime was as much of an elite offensive player as anyone not named Lemieux or Gretzky has ever been. He could skate, shoot, stickhandle, playmake, hit, forecheck.

    If you don't believe that just look at his first five years or so. Come on man.
     
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    Neither were good defensively but Hull was at least better at that aspect.
     
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    I just want to point out that Ovechkin's skate was not in the crease.
    That is all.
     
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    Sure but peak Brett = peak Ovi.
     
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    Lol no.

    Did Brett Hull win 3 MVPs, 3 Pearsons, did he lead the league in PPG three years no. Did he ever win an Art Ross? No. Alright, case closed.
     
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    No.
     
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    Nope, I don't believe it and don't agree with you at all, still a great player and goal scorer though.
     
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    Was Hull a legit power forward, who could effect the game with his speed, and heavy play? Yes, these are two great (one timer) scorers, but OV is by far the more complete player.
     
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    Absolutely, the quality of depth players are on a completely different tier now, which hasn’t been the case since pretty much the Original 6 era.

    My POV is that there are always several factors beyond the g/pg average to try and explain why it ebbs and flows - but nobody really knows why. Someone compared the g/pg average from Hull’s era to Ovechkin’s and reached a conclusion, yet we have more extreme examples of g/pg fluctuations over the course of a single decade without any major rule changes, and with numerous instances of players remaining on the same teams throughout - but without any notable increases in their production. (Which implies it was more subtle - not that stars were suddenly upping their totals by large amounts). I think Mario Lemieux showed by his production through three different decades that if you’re a boss, you’re going to boss. He certainly didn’t find it harder to score coming out of a long retirement in 00-01’ when the g/pg average was 2.76 - he scored 35 goals in 43 games as a ghost of what he once was and came in 2nd for the Hart.

    Another thing that gets brought up is the goaltenders were bad, which I don’t agree with at all. In 70-71 the g/pg was 3.12 - Jacques Plante had a save-percentage of .944 (Esposito the next year .932). In 68-69 the average was 2.97 and the average save-percentage of the league was .908 (this season it’s 2.91 and .909) and Hall and Plante split the Vezina as a tandem with SV% of .928 and .940. My point is the goalies didn’t all of the sudden become trash in the 80’s. So when someone says so-and-so is better because it was easy back in the day, that’s not necessarily true. And while I don’t claim to have the answers I haven’t heard anyone else with any either, just speculation.

    It’s an interesting topic with a larger discussion to be had before anyone can make any definitive statements IMO.
     
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