Why is hockey the only sport not to produce a GOAT-calibre player in the last decade or so?

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  1. Mc5RingsAndABeer

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    If LeBron had stayed on the Cavs, he'd still be ringless. That team was a lottery team without him. It's a testament to LeBron's ability that they were able to make it to the finals.

    Nobody in basketball can do it alone. Jordan couldn't even win a single playoff series without Pippen, let alone a championship. It wasn't just Pippen either. Rodman, Kerr, etc.. That team was excellent.
     
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    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    Because 99 is the GOAT of GOATS
    Didn’t LeBron win a ring with the Cavs lol?
     
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    [mod] I don't think he's top 5, but he's closer to 5 then he is to 10.
     
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    Btw. who do you thing are the GOAT-calibre player in the last decade in other sports?

    Tennis is clear. NBA maybe also. Im not familiar with NFL and MLB. Soccrer has their Messi and Ronaldo. Others?
     
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    Mathew Barzal OG Blue Jackets Bandwagoner

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    Hockey has evolved more in the last couple of decades than any other sport. You can't do now what you could do then.
     
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    Both Pele and Maradona are more myths blown out of proportion (Maradona especially) rather than undisputable GOATs. They had plenty of competition for the title of the best ever, it's just that Kaiser Franz, Kocis, Cruyff (apart from in Holland and in Barca) etc didn't have as big of a hype machine behind them.
     
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    Because the NHL suspends their star players when they get hit from behind, while other leagues protect and promote their stars.
     
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    Agreed 100%. Maradona being GOAT is a complite joke. His numbers are nothing to write home about.
     
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    Contradiction at its finest. If Kucherov can get to around 130 - why wouldnt Lemieux/Gretzky be able to reach 200? I mean, I can see them being 50% better than him. At least, its not out of the question.
     
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    On clay, yes Nadal is better, AINEC. But on every other surface Federer is better. You cant just judge players solely on h2h stats. Nadals playstyle is like cryptonite for Federer, thats why they are even in the same universe.

    I love Djokovic, cant really compare him to Federer without showing obvious bias. I let objective people judge instead.

    My point really is, you cant leave Federer out of the top tier when hes is the favorite choice for number 1. No matter who you think is the best. Its like excluding Gretzky from the debate about who is the best hockey player ever.
     
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    He won the league with Napoli, read the story. Or better yet, go watch ANY game he played during his prime. Back then football was brutal and Maradona was 100 times the target any of the stars today are. Just waatch!
     
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    Jamie Vardy won the league with Leicester....
    Yeah it was and yes he was, as was any star. Still he doesnt stand out head and shoulders above his peers. Messi and Ronaldo were untouchable for a decade, playing at a level no one has come close.

    Maybe If not for coke and everything else... But If you go down the "what if road" there are few players with as a good claim as Maradona. R9 for example. He did have the talent, just not the career.
     
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    There is Michael Jordan he is the greatest physical talent in sports.
     
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    So Jamie Vardy was the biggest star now in hindsight? I wouldve thought it was Ngolo Kante, you know the guy that won again with Chelsea the year after (yes, also the leagues best player that year, just as Vardy was the year before) and who then again was a key part in France winning the world cup (The World Cup final should double as a head-to-head battle for Golden Ball). Or that guy sold for a kings ransom to Manchester City a couple years later, Riyad Mahrez.
     
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    Manning? Lol no. Good QBs tho
     
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    They have competition but what Maradona did in Naples was absolutely outstanding. He's no Guido Buchwald, though.
    Cruyff was often considered to be the best even in Germany in the 70s, even against the Kaiser. But I agree with the notion. Footy doesn't have a clearcut best.
     
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    I like that people actually think that all the greatest players played in the 80’s.
     
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    Uhh did you forget CONNOR MCDAVID?
     
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    This is because eras are impossible to compare. Who's to say what Crosby or McDavid would have scored in the 80s?

    Football has Messi and Ronaldo but they're just freaks.
     
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    No. Just that **** teams can win and it was way easier in Maradonas time.

    Absolutely terrible article though btw, damn.
     
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    Orr and Howe didn't play in the 80s, though.
     
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    Or Harvey, Beliveau, Richard, Shore etc.
     
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    If not for injuries, Crosby would likely be going toe to toe with Howe thru his career to date.
     
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    Without doing the math, I think he doesn't quite have the peak. Howe's peak was higher than Lemieux's. But that doesn't really matter because Crosby, as you said, was injured too much.
     
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    The evolution of hockey.
    Hockey evolved into a game that's played and coached with the intent of limiting offence.
    Goalie equipment is much larger and lighter and has evolved into a game of percentages (which has proven much more effective). Get big and let the puck hit you.

    While the top 2-3 players in the league are great players the bottom 2-3 players in the league are much closer in skill.

    Everyone is a goalie now days... like everyone. Don't underestimate the equipment evolution. Getting a shot through to the net is a miracle in itself now days.
     

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