Why is Gretzky so underrated on HF?

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  1. ManofSteel55

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    This is b.s. People tried to hit him. Older players talked about it all the time. They wanted to hit Gretzky, but they couldn't. Players wanted to win games, they weren't going to sit back and not play because their owner wanted them to not hit Gretzky. There was an unwritten rule about cheap shots later in his career, and I could even buy guys not hitting him in pre-season out of respect, but when the games mattered, nobody is laying off a hit just because the owner tells them to. You also can't tell me that Semenko would be enough to get other teams goons to not try to hit him. They just couldn't. They certainly helped to make sure he wasn't cheap shotted, but as a whole, the "nobody tried to hit Gretzky" thing is completely fabricated.
     
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    Lemieux was. Gretzky was usually better at ES though.
     
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    The odd thing is out of the countless full Gretzky games I've watched, I didn't see a lot of serious attempts at it, even when he was standing still along the boards. You figure there would be many clips available of him dodging hits. Truthfully players didn't hit as often in the 80s as people say though, and he was hit a few times pretty good.
     
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    LOL - the NHL changed the PP rules of the game because of Gretzky! Did Lemieux make the league change rules?!

    Gretzky was better in every situation.
     
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    Those Penguins were dominant, they still would have been a contender without Mario.
    Oilers Hall of Famers - Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, Coffey, Anderson
    Penguins Hall of Famers - Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Coffey, Murphy, Recchi, Mullen, Trottier (although he was a shadow of his prime self), plus Kevin Stevens was at star level at that point, and would be in the Hall if he had any longevity at all and didn't have off ice issues. Both had Hall of Fame coaches. Both had amazing depth guys like Tikkanen, Lowe, Huddy for Edmonton, and Tocchet, Barasso and Samuelsson. To suggest that Mario is the lone reason the Penguins won the cup in the early 90's is pretty ridiculous.
     
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    The 4 on 4 rules you mean, Lemieux scored more on the powerplay in a season and a much bigger percentage of his career points were on the powerplay, not exactly an LOL worthy opinion.
     
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    In his early years, he made a few guys look foolish and totally out of position by going for hits. It doesn't take long for pro's to learn, and they learned quickly that if you go to hit Gretzky, you'd better be prepared to look foolish.
     
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    And yet he was a first ballot Hall of Famer despite a lack of great personal or team success.

    You do the math.
     
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    I also think there's some contrarian thinking going on- people feel smarter holding an unpopular opinion and then arguing their case, and it also gets 'em more attention. It's like claiming the earth is flat.
     
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    Sundin had a lot of personal success. What math?
     
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    Howe finished top five in scoring for 20 straight years.
    Orr recreates the defence position even winning the scoring title.
    Mario didn't need a babysitter.
    Gretzky was great but Mario was super.
     
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    I haven't heard this term myself but it sounds like a good thing. :)
     
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    Yeah I think most would agree that these are the top 4 of all-time. Whenever I see lists it's usually Gretzky or Orr at the top and I often think that the other two are underrated. People always point to longevity as the reason for having 99 ahead of 66 but then what about Howe?
     
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    Mario was super, but Gretzky was the best ever.

    No matter what crappy babysitter narrative you’re trying to run.

    Gretzky has more records, personal hardware and team hardware than Lemieux. Gretzky actually has hard evidence.
     
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    Mario pretty much owned the PIT bench it seemed. He was out pretty much every other shift and for extended time.
    No one in current NHL could pull that off.. Not even a Dman.
     
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    If you are a good skater, I challenge you to go out and buy a pair of vintage skates of that era and give them a try. Then picture the difference that equipment makes on a forward (and a goalie for that matter)
     
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    Because he didn't go all out
     
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    Greatest? He was
    Most skilled? He was not
     
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    Hey I said Mario was Superman and Wayne was Iron Man; Superman always lacked the killer instinct. But kept winning anyway. You are talking about two guys that won cups anyway so it's moot. They are both good in a different matter.

    Furthermore it's not like they went one after another in a best of 7 series in the playoffs where Wayne won. What you don't get is that it doesn't make Mario less great because he didn't have Wayne's compete level. It's just different! I know it's personal for you but still open your mind.
     
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    Age and wanting their generation to have the best honestly. YouTube highlights show him making goalies look foolish but rarely show the goalie making the save. I can cherry pick goals against and make Patrick Roy look like an ECHLer if I want to prove a point that fits an agenda.

    He was also boring as heck, most of his greatness came from the mind while there were much flashier players.

    I think Gretz would thrive in today’s game. Just way less physical and didn’t have 3 monsters draped over a shoulder. Safe to say he would atleast be neck and neck with Kucherov or Kane.

    Throw on 80s gear on goalies and have everyone play with wood sticks the game would be completely different.
     
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    Alot of us never seen him play in his prime. There is no good videos to watch. But I asked my dad if Gretzky really is the best player he has ever seen play. His answer was an easy yes.
     
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    Its been shown over and over again that the best players peak before 27. His best seasons were his early 20s
     
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