Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by SpinningEdge, Dec 23, 2018.
The Flyers motto for the last 30 years.
That's why he said, "if" bruhhhhh
Agreed, they need to dump Coots on Colorado ASAFP!
But trading good solid core guys for a bunch of ????? is going to magically make them cup champions? Sounds like an instant gratification kind of concept.
as a pens fans I wholeheartedly support this
You don't win cups when you build your team around "solid core guys"
Well they got a nice cap anchor in JVR if they do decide to blow it up and go young. They remind me of the Canucks that held on to a forward core too long and got nothing for when it went away.
Isn't Lindblom close to a bust? Believed to be a #1 line winger and Calder candidate, now gets like 10 minutes per game and produces nothing.
they don't need to. they have a good roster, good prospect pool, just need goaltending
The point is that a "solid" or "good" core isn't going to get you to a championship. You need multiple elite/HOF players who are also playoff performers.
He was producing as a 2nd line player at ES....then Hakstol demoted him and put Dale Weise on the 2nd line.
Gordon has not changed the lines up too much yet.
%100 coaching at this point. He's had 3 NHL games with a coach who isn't brain dead. Let's just wait and see
"Blowing it up" is incredibly overrated. You need actual good NHL players to win in this league. Trading them away does nothing except delay the time it takes until you can be competitive. Drafting and developing prospects takes time. Philly probably need a good coaching staff and a solid goaltender more than anything else.
Its more like 6 mins. He wont produce with so little time and bottom 6 linemates like Lehtera, Weise, Laughton, Raffl. But still he is 10th in scoring.
I feel when Simmonds is traded his numbers will improve because pedigree is too good and he is only in his 2nd year pro in NAmerica.
Way to early for the B word.
Cap anchor? The guy averaged over 30 goals/year pace in Toronto last 6 yrs. How much do you pay those?
So many posts from fans of teams with their own problems. A bit of success = time to crap on someone. Such a cheap way to feel good.
Are we really starting to call rookies with 11 points in 34 games a bust? Not everyone steps into the NHL and dominates. I also don't think he was every expected to be a top line player, obviously that's the hope but that was never expected.
Regardless, Hakstol completely mismanaged Lindblom this season. He was shuffled between the top 3 lines the first 18 games of the season and after settling in with the 2nd line and putting up 8 points in 7 games playing over 14 minutes a games where the team went 5-1-1 he was suddenly dropped to the 4th line for absolutely no reason and now has 1 point in his last 16 games playing 9 minutes a game and the team instantly started losing games.
Agreed, but there so close to having a very good team, a lot of good young players and some solid proven stars. I think it’s way easier to finally find a goalie then it is to replace all the building they’ve done. Let this season ride out how it does, get Hart some experience but I believe he should go down again soon, and bring in a 1-2 year stop gap in the offseason
Steve Mason was quite good. Marty Biron was even OK. Ray Emery was good until he got hurt.
We've tried many times, the goalies just don't seem to last or the rest of the team has a problem once we finally have a goalie.
are elite/HOF players who are also playoff performers not good solid core guys?
You mean like a guy who has been a PPG player going back to 2010 and just finished 2nd in the league in scoring with 102 points? Or do you mean a Selke finalist center who will give you 65-75 points? Maybe you mean a 1st line winger who has averaged 72 points per 82 over the last 7 seasons? It might not be the best core in the league but it's definitely something to build around.
I look at their team and don't think they have to :Blow-it-Up". More like a couple of moves to tweak. There's some nice talent there. They aren't like a team like the Kings.
The Canucks were strapped by NTCs and the fact that no team in the NHL would have the assets or cap space to take on the Sedins. They had to wait it out and rebuild from scratch, regardless of what the rabid mob on HFBoards Canucks might think. The Flyers are in a much better position to rebuild/retool quickly and can turn this ship around much quicker.
So the flyers needing five new D-man, 7 new forwards, and 2 new goaltenders in one of the weakest goaltending markets, ever? Plus just getting a new GM and coach. Factor in their core forwards are 30 year olds. Yeah, this is now "quick" retool. Putting frosting on a turd doesn't make it a cake. Just like the Canucks back in that Kassian is our Lucic hey day.
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