And for sure nations like Hungary reached a level of quality that England never had, and if they had a World Cup at home they would have won and England would have zero title if not at home. Yugoslavia made 2 finals (one more than England) so really they are the laughing stock.
Why do England suck?
- Thread starter Chloraflora
- Start date
Chloraflora
NOLU
We know we suck. The question was why and how to fix it. I'm glad most people here answered genuinely, it's impossible to ask this on an English board.
Suiteness
Registered User
The key would be for the people in charge to realize and admit to themselves that there is a problem and what they are doing is not working. It's what led to the Belgium revolution on how they were developing their players. Germany came to the same realization as well and changed the way they did things.
But ya, if the FA keeps deluding themselves that this all a bunch of 'Bollocks', that they were only unlucky (Penalties) or that they have plenty of great young talent (Sterling, Wilshere, etc.
) well, the wheel will keep on turning.A draw vs. weak Russia a lucky win vs. Wales an incredibly boring 0-0 draw vs. lowly Slovakia and then a 1-2 lost to Iceland...0 world class player on the team, what more do you want to wake up, failing to qualify for a major tournament again?
Suiteness
Registered User
Just have a re-read of this thread. It's denial galore. The talent is there, the issue was the coach, this is the best generation of English players in a ages, blablabla.
cgf
FireBednarsSuccessor
England don't suck. They're just not very good. They usually achieve about what they have the talent and structure to achieve.
The last time England had a real world class player or a potential world class player was Owen in the early 00's... This team was full of average to good players not more.
Chloraflora
NOLU
If you take out tournaments on home soil England would rank about #16 all time in Europe...
They suck if we take into account how the sport is popular in England...
They suck if we take into account how the sport is popular in England...
Suiteness
Registered User
Paul Scholes was world class, Rio Ferdinand and Sol Campbell were world class center-backs and Ashely Cole was world class as well.
The English team in that time frame (1998-2002) was actually not bad. Not good enough to win anything mind you but definitely better than the piss pot they have right now.
I agree for Scholes Ferdinand Campbell yes but in that time frame they lost twice to Romania, who had a very good team mind you. And Portugal France Holland just to name a few were miles and miles ahead. Holland and France in those years could have won against almost anyone with their B teams...
The real question is : has England ever been that bad? For me the last few years and right now is the worst they've ever been since I follow.
The real question is : has England ever been that bad? For me the last few years and right now is the worst they've ever been since I follow.
Chloraflora
NOLU
Well we failed to qualify for Euro 2008, losing 3-2 at home to Croatia (the Wally with the brolly game). Also failed to qualify for USA 94.
East Coast Bias
Registered User
This "you don't have a world class player, what do you expect?" argument is so weak.
How many teams at the Euro have world class players? If you think most teams, then world class doesn't mean anything anymore.
In the end, will a team with world class player(s) win it? Yes, most likely.
But shoudl all other teams just pack it up and go home? Did Greece have WC players in 04? Does Iceland now?
Yes individual talent is a huge deal, but let's not pretend this is 5 a-side at the park among buddies. There is much more that goes into this than raw talent.
Mount Suribachi
Registered User
Owen was great in his prime, but he was basically a one dimensional goal scorer.
In terms of achievement at international level I would have to go with Ashley Cole. The guy was a complete and utter **** off the pitch, but give him credit, he was usually England's best player at every tournament.
I feel like I should add my $00.2 seeing as I see the "efforts" of the FA at the lower level and what they really try and do to develop players, which is little. I dare say some would be interested to see a view from someone who is a fan of a lower league team when they get shafted by the FA regularly.
John Price
Bet
- Sep 19, 2008
- 373,555
- 24,643
He isn't, but he's someone who could change the overall setup - something that is needed maybe even more for long term success.
East Coast Bias
Registered User
All he does is talk. I think England have gotten the media coverage down, don't need more.
He's not a good manager, not a good TD. Not sure how he would help.
He has not improved the US at all.
Alex Jones
BIG BOWL 'A CHILI!!
Live in the Now
Registered User
Franck
eltiT resU motsuC
Sven-Göran Eriksson and Fabio Capello were both excellent managers.
The problems with England are much, much deeper than just the manager and the routine scapegoating of whoever is in charge is nothing but a distraction from the real issues.
