Why did the Blackhawks trade Panarin?

[Crow]

I’d never trade for maata. Maybe I’m biased but I feel like the guy can’t be relied upon to play a decent number of games.

 

[piteus]

In hindsight, this ...

 

[Blackhawks]

In hindsight, this ...

Some of us called the trade extremely stupid from day 1

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Some of us called the trade extremely stupid from day 1

Congrats?

Most people who loved Panarin disliked the trade, you weren’t the only one to dislike it.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

If we're playing the "what if we didn't make the Panarin/Saad trade" game:

DeBrincat-Toews-Kahun
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Fortin-Schmaltz-Sikura
Kampf-Kruger-Hayden

 

[RememberTheRoar]

If we're playing the "what if we didn't make the Panarin/Saad trade" game:

DeBrincat-Toews-Kahun
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Fortin-Schmaltz-Sikura
Kampf-Kruger-Hayden

Painful to see

 

[Blackhawks]

Congrats?

Most people who loved Panarin disliked the trade, you weren’t the only one to dislike it.

Everyone loved Panarin so your statement makes no sense. This is not about "love", this is about simple hockey knowledge, a lot of people in here liked the trade, a lot were neutral and only a few didnt like the trade. Go to the trade thread and go down a few pages and you can see all the excited people and how everyone was an expert on the subject explaining why the trade happened and how it's "good for both teams" "reviving Toews" "better D play" "Panarin sucked in playoffs" bla bla bla

 

[Blackhawks]

If we're playing the "what if we didn't make the Panarin/Saad trade" game:

DeBrincat-Toews-Kahun
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Fortin-Schmaltz-Sikura
Kampf-Kruger-Hayden

Panarin-Shmaltz-Kane would run circles around teams

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Everyone loved Panarin so your statement makes no sense. This is not about "love", this is about simple hockey knowledge, a lot of people in here liked the trade, a lot were neutral and only a few didnt like the trade. Go to the trade thread and go down a few pages and you can see all the excited people and how everyone was an expert on the subject explaining why the trade happened and how it's "good for both teams" "reviving Toews" "better D play" "Panarin sucked in playoffs" bla bla bla

My point was you weren’t the only person who disliked the trade when it happened, full stop.

 

[Blackhawks]

My point was you weren’t the only person who disliked the trade when it happened, full stop.

I never claimed to be the only one, full stop.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I never claimed to be the only one, full stop.

Misread and misinterpreted your first statement on this.

I shouldn’t have been posting so late

 

[LDF]

Everyone loved Panarin so your statement makes no sense. This is not about "love", this is about simple hockey knowledge, a lot of people in here liked the trade, a lot were neutral and only a few didnt like the trade. Go to the trade thread and go down a few pages and you can see all the excited people and how everyone was an expert on the subject explaining why the trade happened and how it's "good for both teams" "reviving Toews" "better D play" "Panarin sucked in playoffs" bla bla bla

i know i have a real harsh outlook on players of today's nhl.

for me, they are all a commodity and i look at trades as a way to get better or get a bush full of draft picks. the caveat to this opinion is the state of the team at the moment.

 

[SotasicA]

Hawks got tired of losing in the playoffs and Stan figured Saad was going to fix that.

Now they do their losing in the regular season and don't even make the playoffs...

 

[piteus]

From what I remember from this board of the Saad for Panarin trade ... most posters were sad to see Panarin go, but understood the trade.

We needed more physical presence and hoped Saad would ignite Toews. We were also scared about losing Panarin in 2 years because of his salary demands. We also received Forsberg in return after Darling left.

No one knew Saad would struggle this much coming back. Let's hope we can re sign Panarin for $8.5mn / year.

 

[RayP]

From what I remember from this board of the Saad for Panarin trade ... most posters were sad to see Panarin go, but understood the trade.

We needed more physical presence and hoped Saad would ignite Toews. We were also scared about losing Panarin in 2 years because of his salary demands. We also received Forsberg in return after Darling left.

No one knew Saad would struggle this much coming back. Let's hope we can re sign Panarin for $8.5mn / year.

Yeah that’s how I felt.

I also wasn’t entirely sure how good Panarin would be away from Kane and if he could carry a line on his own or drop to a 50-55 point player trying to carry a line.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

From what I remember from this board of the Saad for Panarin trade ... most posters were sad to see Panarin go, but understood the trade.

We needed more physical presence and hoped Saad would ignite Toews. We were also scared about losing Panarin in 2 years because of his salary demands. We also received Forsberg in return after Darling left.

No one knew Saad would struggle this much coming back. Let's hope we can re sign Panarin for $8.5mn / year.

Got to be careful throwing out that kind of money. If DeBrincat continues his rise toward the elite tier of NHL players, he could be asking for that same amount in two years.

Panarin in addition to ~$6 million for Schmaltz could put the Hawks in a jam come resigning time for DeBrincat.

I’d choose either Schmaltz or Panarin for Kane, I don’t think we can afford both with the way DeBrincat is breaking out.

 

[Rolo]

Debrincat probably signs a Larkin type deal, and Schmaltz below that.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Debrincat probably signs a Larkin type deal, and Schmaltz below that.

At this point, DeBrincat has probably already earned the Larkin deal. He still has almost two years to make a case for a deal larger than that.

Schmaltz probably doesn’t get much less than Larkin at this point.

 

[The Worst One]

Fixed that for ya.

Well, skinny seabs contract effed up everything even more.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

For a long time I was a Bowman defender but you're judged on the results. The Seabrook extension and the Panarin trade have been disasters which have taken this team from being a playoff participant to a lottery team. Couple those disastrous moves with the lack of improving the team this offseason and I am now leaning towards the replacing Stan Bowman viewpoint. I have always felt that the Hawks drafting was enough to keep Bowman at his job but I keep hearing that Mark Kelly is the man behind the drafts. If that is the case, Bowman has not done enough to keep his job. And while I criticize Q for the misuse of Daley and Kempny, it is also part of the GM's job to communicate and work with the head coach to acquire players that fit into the scheme of the team. Make no mistake, I put the majority of the blame on Q but Bowman is not completely innocent in those failures.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I think Panarin was traded because they didn't want to spend 30 M of cap space on 3 forwards. It is completely understandable.

 

[piteus]

Got to be careful throwing out that kind of money. If DeBrincat continues his rise toward the elite tier of NHL players, he could be asking for that same amount in two years.

Panarin in addition to ~$6 million for Schmaltz could put the Hawks in a jam come resigning time for DeBrincat.

I’d choose either Schmaltz or Panarin for Kane, I don’t think we can afford both with the way DeBrincat is breaking out.

Fair point. Ugh ... that Seabrook contract makes me mad. I like Seabrook. I just hate his contract.

 

[piteus]

For a long time I was a Bowman defender but you're judged on the results. The Seabrook extension and the Panarin trade have been disasters which have taken this team from being a playoff participant to a lottery team. Couple those disastrous moves with the lack of improving the team this offseason and I am now leaning towards the replacing Stan Bowman viewpoint. I have always felt that the Hawks drafting was enough to keep Bowman at his job but I keep hearing that Mark Kelly is the man behind the drafts. If that is the case, Bowman has not done enough to keep his job. And while I criticize Q for the misuse of Daley and Kempny, it is also part of the GM's job to communicate and work with the head coach to acquire players that fit into the scheme of the team. Make no mistake, I put the majority of the blame on Q but Bowman is not completely innocent in those failures.

The buck stops with Stan. He gets the blame for the trades / contract negotiations. He should also get the credit for the drafts and European FA signings. I'll give Stan a break if McDonough somehow got involved with the Seabrook negotiations. If true, that was out of his hands.

 

[Kevin Musto]

The upside to the Panarin trade is that it indirectly resulted in us getting Boqvist. Other than that...well I'm just hoping we can salvage it somehow with an okay return from Saad.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Debrincat probably signs a Larkin type deal, and Schmaltz below that.

DeBrincat is getting way more than Larkin money. Larkin money is about what Schmaltz will get. DCat is getting at least 7.5M.