Wow dude. Really. My point wasn't who the best players was, it was that Messi certainly didn't dominate or do it on his own, and on a team filled with world class players, sometimes the other guys have big games.
FWIW, Busquets won UEFA MoM. Suarez, Iniesta, Rakitic, Messi, all had good games.
(Messi's shot created the GWer)
Also, nice veiled insult there. ROFL
Well what you said specifically was Rakitic and Suarez carried the team, which includes Messi. That's simply not true, end of story. What's more you said as a response to Ronaldo's role or lack thereof in Madrid's 2014 CL win. If you want to walk away from that statement go right ahead.
The comment wasn't veiled. It was just a matter of fact statement. I wasn't trying to insult you either, but I see no other way of looking at it based on what you'd posted up until that point.
What are you talking about?
"Different Barca relative to today"? So what? "Different Real compared to today" is in the comparison, so why not Barca. Both played the same team within a week's span, one won barely, the other failed to win on home ground.
Yet somehow it's portrayed by people that Ronaldo was somehow the ultimate no-show in the whole thing.
You mentioned both CL Finals at one point in your post. My mistake. However, again, Barça should have won but the ref disallowed a legit goal and that was a goal scored by Messi. So your point doesn't hold here.
As for the runs to the Final, I don't need to look to know that Messi, the best player in the history, was great.
But the notion that the guy closest to him in every category is somehow put in the same tier as Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, the guy who holds the world record in goals in CL knockout stage matches, somehow gets questioned etc.
It should be questioned on certain levels, but not all. In the ways that I've put in the same tier as Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, or rather put him below them I suppose, that isn't a bad thing.
You don't seem to get it.
I'm not a particular fan of Barca or Real. In fact I've always liked Barca more.
And I'm the first to say that I enjoy watching Messi more, and that he is the best that's ever been.
But the whole thing with people clouded with hate describing Ronaldo as some sort of passenger who only gets by because his team serves him, etc., is completely ridiculous.
Not sure how who you support or don't support matters here as I've not mentioned it.
Well I don't agree with that notion myself, but I've not said he's just some sort of passenger and while I admit to disliking Ronaldo I've not let that get in the way of viewpoint. I've never liked either Ronaldo as I noted some time ago.
They say laughter makes your life longer.
I am happy to be contributing to you living a long and healthy life.
But seriously though, the case for Messi > Ronaldo is better than the opposite case, but saying that Ronaldo is a product of his teammates when Messi has been on the best team in the world, in large part due to him of course, for his entire pro career is little bit arrogant. Messi always has been in the system he LEARNED the pro game in with many many many word-class players around him. He was well-surrounded from the start.
Cheers for that. Though I should say that while I do laugh when you make posts like "**** Barça" or whatever, that anger probably isn't good for you.
I've not made that argument though. I think there is something to be said of Messi carrying his team more than Ronaldo and having a bigger impact than Ronaldo. In fact I'm not sure how that could ever be disputed if you look at the long run. Anyway, Ronaldo has always been well surrounded too.
