Who's the better Ronaldo, Brazilian or Portuguese?

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by Pavel Buchnevich, Jul 12, 2016.

  1. Deficient Mode

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    The narratives about Messi's and Cristiano's finals successes and failures are starting to resemble NBA narratives about Championships. It's crazy.
     
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    Well what you said specifically was Rakitic and Suarez carried the team, which includes Messi. That's simply not true, end of story. What's more you said as a response to Ronaldo's role or lack thereof in Madrid's 2014 CL win. If you want to walk away from that statement go right ahead.

    The comment wasn't veiled. It was just a matter of fact statement. I wasn't trying to insult you either, but I see no other way of looking at it based on what you'd posted up until that point.

    You mentioned both CL Finals at one point in your post. My mistake. However, again, Barça should have won but the ref disallowed a legit goal and that was a goal scored by Messi. So your point doesn't hold here.

    It should be questioned on certain levels, but not all. In the ways that I've put in the same tier as Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, or rather put him below them I suppose, that isn't a bad thing.

    Not sure how who you support or don't support matters here as I've not mentioned it.

    Well I don't agree with that notion myself, but I've not said he's just some sort of passenger and while I admit to disliking Ronaldo I've not let that get in the way of viewpoint. I've never liked either Ronaldo as I noted some time ago.

    Cheers for that. Though I should say that while I do laugh when you make posts like "**** Barça" or whatever, that anger probably isn't good for you.

    I've not made that argument though. I think there is something to be said of Messi carrying his team more than Ronaldo and having a bigger impact than Ronaldo. In fact I'm not sure how that could ever be disputed if you look at the long run. Anyway, Ronaldo has always been well surrounded too.
     
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    Of course Ronaldo has always been well-surrounded. He mostly played at Man United and Real Madrid, two of the hugest clubs in the World. Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't have had as much team success as they have had if we were not in the era of the super teams. Of course, I don't think we will disagree on that one.

    I do wake up at night to hate Barca (which is kind of ironic considering that, as a Québécois, I do feel a lot of sympathy for Catalonia; I guess you will have to blame Zidane going to RMCF in 2000 for that), that might not be good for my health indeed :( ... :laugh:
     
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    The issue is not if he was garbage or not. I'm simply contesting that 1 assist in 8 hours of football does not equate to 'Taking your team to the finals'.

    Roberto Baggio scoring 5 of the 6 Italians goals in the knockout stage of the 1994 WC is 'taking a team to the final'.

    Diego Single–handedly tearing apart England and Belgium in 1986 is 'taking a team to the final'.
     
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    Brazil's Ronaldo is the superior player in talent and technique. Just unfortunate with his injuries.
     
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    ? Football is a TEAM game. It also involved input from coaches and managers and the players they select. If the coaching is poor, tactically inflexible and players are chosen on the basis of favouritism, past form or other spurious reasons then no matter the calibre of the individual player they will not succeed.

    If the defence is a shambles or the goalkeeper is substandard or you have strikers that are mentally frail or inadequate then no matter the gifts of an attacking player they can only do so much.

    Humans like to simplify things to put things into pigeon holes when the reality of sporting success is a far more complex issue than what one individual in any team sport does.
     
  7. Duchene2MacKinnon

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    Well it looks like the point of my post went straight over your head.
     
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    Brazilian Ronaldo (along with Romario) scared the **** out of me.


    C. Ronaldo is just a whiny *****!
     
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    senior edler your alternate captain

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    I never liked the old Ronaldo.

    The new Ronaldo has a more versatile kind of skill-set.
     

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