NBA Who's had the greater career: Kobe or Duncan?

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Whos Greater?

Poll closed May 27, 2019.
  1. Kobe

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  2. Duncan

    50.0%
  1. Maestro84 Registered User

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    Both are probably in most ppl's top 10 NBA players of all time, and they also happened to play in the same era.
    Both had very long successful careers with one franchise and have both won 5 rings but which player has had the better career?

    IMO, Kobe was easily the more exciting player to watch, however, style has nothing to do with this convo and if we're basing this off stats, accolades, team value, big game prowess, who's a better teammate, who was more efficient, who I'd rather start a franchise around, etc. than Duncan in my opinion was the superior player.

    Pros for Kobe:
    Better scorer
    Higher Peak
    Leads the H2H against Duncan's Spurs in playoffs
    One more All-NBA First Team
    More All-Star Games (I don't put much into this one though as Kobe was clearly not an all star calibre player between 2014-2016, as well as 1998)
    2 scoring titles
    1 more Finals appearance

    Pros for Duncan:
    More League MVP's
    More Finals MVP's
    Rookie of the Year
    Greater Longevity from start to finish (Kobe's early and final years were less than stellar)
    More All-NBA Defensive Teams and was the superior defender
    Higher PER in both reg season and playoffs
    Higher Win Shares in both reg season and playoffs
    Higher VORP in both reg season and playoffs
    Higher TS% in both reg season and playoffs
    Higher +/- in both reg season and playoffs
    Was the best player in 3 or 4 of the 5 Spurs titles (Kobe was only the best in 2 of them at best)
    Better clutch player (in the playoffs, elimination games, game 7's, NBA Finals, NBA Finals game 7's, and in the final 30 secs to 5 mins)
    Better teammate to play/coach and a better franchise builder
    Never missed the playoffs in 19 seasons or had a season winning less than 60% of games
    More regular season and playoff games won
    Better NBA Finals conversion (same # of finals games won despite playing in one less finals)


    Even:
    Same # of All-NBA teams and NBA 1st Defensive teams
    Both won 5 rings
    Supporting cast was pretty similar for both
    Similar competition
    Both had legendary coaches
     
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    I don't think they are in the top 10.
     
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    you can't really compare them as players due to their size/position differences

    career wise, duncan was definitely more consistent while kobe had the much higher peak. the fact that kobe only won 1 MVP is a travesty. he should have won 3 in a row from 06-08. guy single-handedly took lakers teams with chris mihm and smush parker as starters to the playoffs and didn't get any recognition for it

    both are easily top 10 players
     
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    You could argue Duncan had a supporting cast -- Kobe had Shaq & Gasol but both times he didn't have a 3rd star like how TD had Parker/Ginobli for the majority of his career (tho he did win one title without them).

    Their both top 10 and loyal guys. For those who want to try and rag on Kobe for wanting leave during the mid 2000's you need to realize he is one of the most competitive people on this planet and couldn't stand the losing nor the disorganization.
     
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    Good poll, this is Kobe for me.
     
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    Bryant is definitely not in my top ten, Duncan I'm not sure about. For one game I'm not sure who I would opt for, but I would build a franchise around Duncan.
     
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    Duncan.
     
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    Kobe is absolutely in my top-10 all time. As is Duncan. I take Kobe in this debate.
     
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    It depends on what you value. For me it's Duncan.
     
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    Better career? I dunno, not something I'm interesting in debating -- far too arbitrary and accolades based.

    Duncan was the better player , though. No question.
     
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    No one shoots in a trash can yelling Duncan.
     
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    Kobe had the better career, Duncan was the better player
     
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    Yeah, cause Duncan would stand right next to the trash can and make it easily.
     
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    I do if I'm banking it off the wall first.
     
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    I like Kobe, but the 1 he did get should've gone to CP3
     
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    Better peak: Kobe
    Better career: Duncan

    My two cents, either or is good in their own right.
     
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    The thing with Duncan is that unlike Kobe he didn't chase records and he played on a team that pretty much played the epitome of team basketball on the offensive side of things. As for the peak, Kobe did score more, but looking at that 2nd ring Tim won, he had 25 points, 15.5 boards, 5.3 assits, 3.3 blocks on 53% shooting. His performances against Lakers, Mavs and especially Nets (triple double in the clincher, two blocks shy of the quadruple double) have been immense.
     
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    Duncan's peak is quite underrated tbh. Tim's win shares and VORP in his two MVP seasons (2002 and 2003) were both higher than any season of Kobe. Duncan's MVP Win Shares were also higher than Kobe's. Additionally, Duncan was an automatic 23 points-12 rebounds-4 assists-3 blocks type of player for the first like 10 years of his career, which needless to say is crazy good. Also, as you mentioned above, Duncan never really went out of his way to stuff his stat sheet either, he just seemed to put up stats like this naturally, which makes it even more impressive. His clutch play is also overlooked too as his numbers always rise come playoff time, game 7's and elimination games, and besides the 2013 finals when Tim missed the layup against Battier late in gm.7 (even though Tim had been great the whole game and series), I've never truly seen a time where the Spurs lost mostly due to Duncan's performance. He just always seemed to hold up his end of the bargain when it mattered the most whether the Spurs won or lost
     
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    Puts it into perspective...
     
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    duncan never had to carry a team by himself. he always had an excellent surrounding cast

    kobe did it for 2 seasons while putting up absolutely insane numbers. people forget that 06 lakers team was one win away from beating the suns in round 1 before tim thomas happened
     
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  22. Aladyyn counting stats are the devil

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    LOL
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    58 wins

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    60 wins and a title
     
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    oh yeah, the teams you bring up compare to the mid 2000s lakers teams with chris mihm and smush parker

    good one
     
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    I like how everyone forgets Kobe had Lamar Odom in those years.
     
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    again, you're really going to compare lamar odom to having guys like robinson, parker, ginobilli, and bowen?

    try again
     
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