Who won the PC battle?

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  1. craig1

    craig1 Registered User

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    Regardless of your previous position, which side gained points with you based on the Press Conferences......

    Only 2 choices. Gary or Bob...no tie, no neither, etc....choose one.
     
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    Bettman, obviously.

    He has the public totally fooled...the evidence is right here on HockeysFuture.
     
  3. Bettman easily.
     
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    Bettman by default.

    Not because his PC was good, because Goodenow's was just that much worse.
     
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    Bettman by a landslide. Say what you want about the guy: he doesnt sound like an idiot as compared to Goodenow.

    The owners are completely in the drivers' seat.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Gary by a landslide - Bob just doesn't have any presence (or a sense of what this is about - FANS - not Players and their salaries)
     
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    Bettman. Goodenow looked like and idiot on the podium.
     
  9. Who in gods name would have selected Bob Godenow? He was so transparent he wasn't even there.
     
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    Bettman by a tko.

    Considering that Goodenow is a lawyer and a professional labor negotiator, was nothing less than pathetic in his performance today. Extremely defensive (trying to cover his a-- to his membership?), came off as uncaring, and had the worried, harried look of someone that expects either to given his walking papers, or to find someone come storming thru the door to punch out his lights.
     
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    :lol He looked like? I think he is an idiot..

    Let's go players ..fire this egghead! :bow:
     
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    I made the poll public.....just click on the # and it will show who voted for who.
     
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    Bettman won easily ! Goodenow was at his best like Healy said an idiot at his best :dunce:
     
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    I don't get it. First of all, the poll does not ask which side we are on, it asks who won. Clearly, Goodenow's press conference was awful. Just droning on and on, looking uncomfortable, blaming everything on the owners. Bettman's was short, to the point and began with an apology. When Goodenow was asked for an apology, all he said was that Gary should be apologising (note to Bob - he did)

    So, yes we are "praising" him in the sense that we are presented with two alternatives and have to pick one.

    Now, your statement that "when you are all watching a feeder system instead of the best of the best," I don't get it. Where are they going to go? Europe? Maybe. If so, so be it. I hate being blackmailed as a fan. Buy us a stadium or we'll go to Las Vegas - bye and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Jack up your ticket prices to pay outrageous salaries or we'll go play in Sweden. Whatever. I can live without hockey I think. In fact, it has been sort of peaceful. I like what Ray Ratto said on ESPN today - we'll take a quick peek in next September and see if the players and owners have decided to share their toys. If not, wlee there is always 2006-07
     
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    When Gretzky says he's 100% behind Gary Bettman, it's easy to figure out who won the PC battle. :)
     
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    I got a scolding look from my "ji had on ownership" pro-PA g/f after that same question.

    Bettman (who I despise) apologized right off the bat and in free will.

    Bob (who I despise)said he feels sorry for the fans.

    Bettman alluded to the sport costing the fans too much and how the business has to be run better FOR THE FANS.

    Bob said his players (who I despise) should have the right to more of the money.

    If these two were stealing from a bank or company, I'd expect Bob to knock Gary off and take the Lions share for himself (his constituency). THAT was what I got from the two press conferences. Gary feels sick of this having to be dealt with, Bob wants money. (mind you, they BOTH robbed the fans blind and gave to their own constituencies when the NHL still existed.....which it might not after today for quite some time)
     
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    When you have to blame someone else for your own failures, you know you are at the end of your ropes.

    I think the Union Fires Goodenow, and he knows it, thus his less than inspiring presser.
     
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    I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone "won" anything today. But I would concur that Bettman lost a whole lot less than what Goodenow did today.

    How in God's name can the union get anything close to what they just turned down? The owners showed their resolve by doing what I thought they'd never do...give up their beloved playoff revenue and cancel the season. With that done, now their foot is firmly placed on the players' throat. And they don't look to be offering mercy at this point.

    Goodenow tried to be cute and do his bully act one too many times, and now it's come home to roost. He'll be very fortunate to keep his job after this gross miscalculation.
     
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    While I don't support him, Goodenow was more convincing with his points.
     
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    Convincing, not at all. Gary could have been unprofessional and played the balme game and could have destroyed most of Goodenow's points and/or followed them up with areas where the NHLPA has done the exact same or worse things. Just once I would like to see the NHL follow one of the NHLPA's pressers and do what the NHLPA so frequently does, and craft the whole press conference on refuting the other sides point. I guarantee the NHL could make a much better case than the NHLPA could.
     
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    Could have.. but that's not what happened. I'm basing what I said on what I saw. To the average, moderately educated fan, Goodenow outperformed Bettman in my opinion. And that's what's important.. the average fan doesn't know nearly as much about this as the average hfboards member.
     
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    The casual fan was probably not glued to the TV set either.
     
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    The NHL still has casual fans?
     
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    Are you calling me uneducated or an average fan? Which both happen to be very far from the truth. Uneducated is using your opinions to generalize things.
     
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    A few. My family, with the exception of myself, are casual fans for example. Most of my friends are casual fans. They do still exist, just not in the numbers they did before.
     
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