Who Will get hit the most by the seattles expansion?

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Vegas might be in a very good position, as they won't lose a player to Seattle. So they could trade picks and young players who dont need to be protected to teams in trouble. Let's say team X would want to protect 8 fowards and 4 d-men, and don't care that much about the rest. They could trade that 4th D for a 1st round pick.

Yeah, I was coming here to post something like this. Vegas will take advantage of being excempted from the draft. Don't like this, making Vegas getting an advantage of out it.

Other teams will in general lose one good player. It's one player. I'm in the "I hope they have learned" on this one though: just accept it, and don't try to overthink it, that did not go well for those who tried with the Vegas expantion.
 

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Will be interesting considering Seattle's entry into the league seems to be lining up with another lockout atm. Might bode poorly for their expansion draft if teams end up getting some free buyouts.
 

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Is Nashville going to Protect Rinne AND Saros? because either of those guys are a pretty big loss

Rinne will be 37 years old by the time the expansion draft rolls around. I seriously doubt that losing a 37 year old Rinne will be a big loss compared to losing a 25 year old Saros so it's a pretty easy decision on which one of the two to protect.
 

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Might bode poorly for their expansion draft if teams end up getting some free buyouts.

The only way the buyout will hurt Seattle is if the player has a NMC. If a player is not worth their contract, they will just leave them exposed.

Beyond that those bought out players will most likely sign elsewhere and be exposed at a much cheaper price
 

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Lightning couldn't have picked a worst time for all of our entry level contracts to expire. Seattle is guaranteed to get a nice productive young player from us.
 

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Question about this rule in 2017?

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Does this mean 2 years of NHL or does it include the AHL also? If a player has two seasons in the AHL and one season in the NHL does he have to be protected
 

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They ought to allow teams to leave NMC NTC players unprotected this time. That rule was BS. I think those clauses are BS to begin with. They should replace it with a dollar amount. We agree not to trade you or send you down, but if we have to, here's something for your trouble. Leaving the choice completely in the hands of the player ultimately forces the team to put a lesser product on the ice.
 

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They ought to allow teams to leave NMC NTC players unprotected this time. That rule was BS. I think those clauses are BS to begin with. They should replace it with a dollar amount. We agree not to trade you or send you down, but if we have to, here's something for your trouble. Leaving the choice completely in the hands of the player ultimately forces the team to put a lesser product on the ice.

Don't hand out those clauses then, if you don't like them.
 

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Because they both have salaries of $2 million plus which would then be replaced by guys like Leivo, Grundstrom, Bracco etc that are all ELC's. Convenient that you ignore Zaitsev however.

I think Zaitsevs relief from cap space if he gets taken is offset by the fact that the Leafs already need help on D and they would be losing a member of their top 4 and would actually hurt them more on the ice than the cap relief will help. Hoping that guys on their ELCs can replace solid 3rd line types is a little hopeful too. Even if they do, its not enough cap relief to say its honestly going to be helpful. They might save a million on a guy but likely replace him with someone worse
 

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Depends on when the draft is. My best guess is it’ll be June 2021.

Protected:

Benn, Seguin, Radulov, Faksa, Nichushkin, Janmark, Hintz

Klingberg, Lindell, Heiskanen

Bishop

Exposed:

Gurianov, Dickinson, Shore, Ritchie, Robertson, Caamano

Honka, Johns

Point, Backup
 

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I think Zaitsevs relief from cap space if he gets taken is offset by the fact that the Leafs already need help on D and they would be losing a member of their top 4 and would actually hurt them more on the ice than the cap relief will help. Hoping that guys on their ELCs can replace solid 3rd line types is a little hopeful too. Even if they do, its not enough cap relief to say its honestly going to be helpful. They might save a million on a guy but likely replace him with someone worse
Except guys like Sandin-Liljegren look like legit options as soon as next year and all good teams have to replace their veterans with younger elc players. That's not exclusive to the Leafs. All you need to do is look at this past offseason, we replaced Komorov, Martin Bozak, JVR with guys like Kapanen, Johnsson, Leivo, and obviously signed Tavares. Kapanen and Johnsson both can pk and are an upgrade from Komorov. Bozak and JVR were decent top 6 forwards offensively but they had to be heavily sheltered which pretty much negates anything they produce offensively. Replacing them with defensively sound players helps team defense and guys like Bracco, Grundstrom, SDA are future replacements, the former 2 could be ready as soon as next year and have top 6 potential. You don't need any of them to be stars, That's what Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander and Kadri are for, they just need to be decent support pieces. And rinse and repeat through future drafting and development.

Leafs defense next year looks like this if Liljegren and Sandin are the 3rd pairing.

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Dermott
Liljegren-Sandin

That's without Hainsey who could be brought back on a cheap deal for bottom pairing +pk duty.

The Leafs cap troubles are largely overstated. And in the worse case scenario where Nylander must be moved, you went from a big 3 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander to Matthews, Tavares, Marner + whatever defensive upgrade you get for Nylander (Pesce, Hamilton, Parayko,etc). Either way the past few drafts the Leafs have focused on drafting defense, and it'll show as soon as next year imo. Liljegren and Sandin will be the key for the defense as they develop. Liljegren looks to be the Gardiner replacement if he's let go and Sandin plays almost exactly like Dermott, which is a very good thing.
 

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They ought to allow teams to leave NMC NTC players unprotected this time. That rule was BS. I think those clauses are BS to begin with. They should replace it with a dollar amount. We agree not to trade you or send you down, but if we have to, here's something for your trouble. Leaving the choice completely in the hands of the player ultimately forces the team to put a lesser product on the ice.
Or how about teams stop handing them out like candy?
 

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Will we get another Fleury situation? I guess Nashville has 2 (potential) starters?
Rinne has almost certainly retired by 2021-22, so they'll have some "new" guy in addition to Saros and Caron. Lindbäck will be ~34 by that time. Unless Saros falls a lot, he will probably be the #1 around ED time. But I doubt NSH keeps the goalies as-is after Rinne. They almost certainly try to get someone like Murray or a strong 28-32 yo backup like Raanta when he was in NYR.
 

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Question about this rule in 2017?

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Does this mean 2 years of NHL or does it include the AHL also? If a player has two seasons in the AHL and one season in the NHL does he have to be protected

Yes AHL counts, as it’s a professional league. So after 2 years of AHL, players needs to be protected.
 
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newfy

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Except guys like Sandin-Liljegren look like legit options as soon as next year and all good teams have to replace their veterans with younger elc players. That's not exclusive to the Leafs. All you need to do is look at this past offseason, we replaced Komorov, Martin Bozak, JVR with guys like Kapanen, Johnsson, Leivo, and obviously signed Tavares. Kapanen and Johnsson both can pk and are an upgrade from Komorov. Bozak and JVR were decent top 6 forwards offensively but they had to be heavily sheltered which pretty much negates anything they produce offensively. Replacing them with defensively sound players helps team defense and guys like Bracco, Grundstrom, SDA are future replacements, the former 2 could be ready as soon as next year and have top 6 potential. You don't need any of them to be stars, That's what Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander and Kadri are for, they just need to be decent support pieces. And rinse and repeat through future drafting and development.

Leafs defense next year looks like this if Liljegren and Sandin are the 3rd pairing.

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Dermott
Liljegren-Sandin

That's without Hainsey who could be brought back on a cheap deal for bottom pairing +pk duty.

The Leafs cap troubles are largely overstated. And in the worse case scenario where Nylander must be moved, you went from a big 3 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander to Matthews, Tavares, Marner + whatever defensive upgrade you get for Nylander (Pesce, Hamilton, Parayko,etc). Either way the past few drafts the Leafs have focused on drafting defense, and it'll show as soon as next year imo. Liljegren and Sandin will be the key for the defense as they develop. Liljegren looks to be the Gardiner replacement if he's let go and Sandin plays almost exactly like Dermott, which is a very good thing.

Pretty early to say anything about Sandin. Pretty hopeful to say Liljegren or Sandin are ready for anything close to a big role on a defense thats supposed to be a contender. Sandin was literally just drafted, he could be another Stuart Percy. 2 mid to late round dmen arent something to hang your hopes on. They could be great but theyre not that close to top 4 dmen yet. Its a lot of potential even withthe forwards, Bracco could be good but will they hit top 6 potential? Who knows, Brown and Hyman are filling top 9 roles on a good team right now. None of those guys are guaranteed to be top 9 NHL players
 

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Teams should f*** Seattle over and let as many of their players become ufa's as possible and have deals with them in place after the draft.
 
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Quebec. Should have had a franchise instead of Seattle in my humble opinion.
 

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Leafs protected:

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Kadri
Tavares
Kapanen
Engvall

Rielly
Dermott
Ozhiganov

Andersen

Exempt:

Sandin
Liljegren

Notables Exposed:

Johnsson
Grundstrom
Bracco
Zaitsev

Maybe swap Johnsson or Grundstrom for Engvall, depending on who turns out best. They'll probably lose a decent young middle six type forward (Engvall, Johnsson, or Grundstrom), but nothing too harmful.
 

The Macho King

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Poor Neal is gonna get drafted by an expansion team again.

Looks like San Jose, TBL and Anaheim (again) might get boned by expansion.
Eh I think we're fine. One of Killorn/Johnson most likely, but we have tons of internal replacements for those guys.
 

MikeyMike01

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Question about this rule in 2017?

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Does this mean 2 years of NHL or does it include the AHL also? If a player has two seasons in the AHL and one season in the NHL does he have to be protected

It includes AHL.
 
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StreetHawk

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They ought to allow teams to leave NMC NTC players unprotected this time. That rule was BS. I think those clauses are BS to begin with. They should replace it with a dollar amount. We agree not to trade you or send you down, but if we have to, here's something for your trouble. Leaving the choice completely in the hands of the player ultimately forces the team to put a lesser product on the ice.
A team will only be hurt if they handed out a nmc to someone that wouldn’t be worth having one in 2020. That’s on them. The Lv WD was in 2017, so any new contract since the time the NHL announced that a full NMC required the players permission to expose them in the ED them each team should not have the NMC part active when there is an ED. Can specify what the nmc excludes. So, no sympathy here.
 

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