Who will be the biggest bust of the 2016 Draft?

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Who will be the biggest bust of the 2016 Draft?

  1. Jesse Puljujarvi

    60.0%
  2. Olli Juolevi

    16.8%
  3. Alex Nylander

    18.8%
  4. Tyson Jost

    0.7%
  5. Logan Brown

    2.2%
  6. Other (say who)

    1.5%
  1. AKL

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    Ah yes, the old "two historically good coaches are involved in a conspiracy to keep this great player from succeeding" angle.
     
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    Or Jesse could just stickhandle better and pass better and shoot better and perhaps he'd get more of an opportunity. From having watched him play, he certainly doesn't deserve a whole lot more opportunity than what he gets.
     
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    After coming back from an injury and getting settled in.

    15 pts in his last 8
    21 pts in his last 14

    What a bust at 20 years old.
     
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    Outrageous comment. He is 20.
     
  5. Rowlet

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    pick was bad but OJ still looks like he could be a top 4d unlike Pool who shouldnt even be in the nhl
     
  6. wetcoast

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    Top 4 in the AHL?

    both players do need more conidnece and seasoning.

    I took Oli because he was a bit of a reach IMO nd Pool went right where everyone expected.
     
  7. Rowlet

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    OJ could easily be a top 4 D in the NHL, do you think he can't be better than Ben Hutton?
     
  8. Karl Eriksson

    Karl Eriksson Boring!

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    Every other post on HF Oilers claims he is a bust or says dump him (implying he is one).

    Player Discussion - Jesse Puljujärvi pt 6

    Don’t act all indignant out here when Jesse as a bust is a raging debate on your own board.
     
  9. aemoreira1981

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    Of these five:
    1. Jesse Puljujarvi (4th overall, EDM) - has already played 137 NHL games, but only has 37 NHL points. I will say that he was rushed up to the NHL. He should have been kept in the minors at least in his draft year to allow development and to have his ELC slide. Will the Oilers keep his games played this year under 60 so as to avoid a 1-way qualifying offer?
    2. Olli Juolevi (5th overall, VAN) - he played 2016-17 with the London Knights where he signed, and then 2017-18 season with TPS, which lost the Liiga bronze-medal game last year. This season was his first in North American professional hockey (AHL rookie) and it ended after just 18 games with a meniscus tear. Too soon to judge, and when it comes to busts, if a player's career is ruined by injury but he shows promise, I don't consider the player a bust (i.e., Gord Kluzak).
    3. Alex Nylander (8th overall, BUF) - final year of his ELC, has only played 7 NHL games, and hasn't exactly wowed with the Amerks. The Sabres will have a decision to make after the season as to whether to save a contract slot for him.
    4. Tyson Jost (10th overall, COL) - was just recalled from the Colorado Eagles (AHL), has played 114 NHL games already, but looks like a bottom 6 player right now. It will be interesting to see if the Avalanche keep his games played this year under 60 so to as to be able to offer a 2-way qualifying offer instead of a 1-way qualifying offer
    5. Logan Brown (11th overall, OTT) - aside from a cup of tea in 2016-17 as an emergency recall from the Spitfires, this is his first professional season (AHL rookie), and Brown appears to be doing very well with Belleville (nearly PPG although again battling injury issues). While the B-Sens are not in playoff position right now, the NHL team is a toxic place at this time. Best to keep him in the AHL this year and then give him a chance to make the NHL team next year.
    Based on this discussion, I selected Alex Nylander, because for better or for worse, you can't take away the fact that Jesse Puljujarvi has already played 137 games as opposed to just 7 for Alex Nylander.
     
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    Yes that's what he looked like when he was drafted but each year sees less progression than one would like and there are still huge questions on what he might eventually turn out to be.

    At lest with Puljujarvi you can see the skills and there isn't an injury problem, just a mismanaged situation by the Oilers more than anything (keeping him up in the NHL when he could be getting playing time in the AHL)
     
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    Nylander is still on year 1 of his ELC due to the contract slide. He's probably the answer regardless though, as unlike the others, his lack of development appears to fall solely on himself.
     
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    scallionjj11 FOREVERALFIE

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    Lol Logan brown is on quite the streak, not only the last week or so but ever since he came back from injury. Did you happened to see his highlight reel goal last night ? He’ll be aight
     
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    Rattie got to play with McDavid when McLellan was coach and is lucky to get off the fourth line now that Hitch is coach.

    Coaches have their favourites. It's not a conspiracy. It's reality. I remember Hall and Eberle used to get away with things Paajarvi wad benched for.
     
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    I didn't say he deserved more ice time. I'm saying if he's going to be getting less than 10 minutes in the NHL, he should be in the minors. Young players need to play and he's not playing.
     
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    Well that I agree on. He should have stayed in Finland for one more year, then played in AHL, and then made his NHL debut at 20(or 19 if he was lighting it up in AHL). Sort of like how Mikko Rantanen ended up doing it. I think he got partially cursed by his "NHL ready" status leading up to the draft, when that really wasn't the case and was clearly visible during training camp.

    Still, Puljujärvi just should be able to play better right now. There's no excuse to handle the puck so poorly even if he was sent to NHL too early.
     
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    Yeah cause they were better. That’s exactly the point. Pulju just isn’t good at this point. In any zone.
     
  17. Bounces R Way

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    Puljujarvi is the choice here. Yet another example of teams getting their chub on and their tongue lolling out of their mouths for DA TOOOOOOOLS! Had my doubts the moment Kekalainen passed on him. Just does not process the game fast enough at this level, as well as horrible puck skills, as well as well as not being nearly physically assertive enough in any zone. Maybe he can forge himself a decent career if he gets himself out of Edmonton and relearns how to hockey.

    Juolevi not being able to crack the Canucks blueline considering the state of it has to troubling as well. Haven't seen him a ton but in the games I have he has been the softest player out there every time.
     
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    They were all pretty even on day 1.
     
  19. aemoreira1981

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    I forgot about that entry-level slide for Nylander. Was he kept in the minors for that reason? That said, he didn't really do anything to force his way onto the NHL squad.

    Juolevi could have been a call-up this year, but he suffered a season-ending injury back in November after just 18 games.
     
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    Is he really that bad? He did draft Pettersson and Boeser after all.
     
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    Strange timing to be doubling down saying he should have been a 3rd rounder when he has been destroying the AHL for the past 20 games or so
     
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  22. The List Of Jericho

    The List Of Jericho Drink it in man....Go Leafs Go!!

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    I thought Canuck fans liked Juolevi
     
  23. Rowlet

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    His stock is down and it was definitely a bad pick but that's been argued forever, as for his progress I'm not concerned, he will be an NHL defenseman

    Benning is an idiot, Judd Brackett and Thomas Gradin are great scouts
     
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    Nylander and Juolevi havent even played in the NHL yet but we are going to say it's Poolparty.. Nice logic HF Boards. The intrigue of a prospect out values the fact he can't even make the team.
     
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    This was an easy one...
     

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