Who starts opening night?

William Hylander

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How can their entire careers be "selective samples"?

Reimer has had more games, he has a larger sample.

Lets look here, these are Reimer's Last 2 years and Berniers entire NHL career.

James Reimer 67 GP

Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
1879 97 2 3 3.1 14 14 4 877 90 %
1856 76 0 4 2.46 19 8 5 919 92.40 %

Total Mins: 3735 Svs: 1796 Sv%: 91.21%





Jonathan Bernier 62 GP

Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
0768 24 0 1 1.88 09 3 1 282 92.20%
0890 35 1 1 2.36 05 6 2 348 90.80%
1378 57 1 3 2.48 11 8 3 595 91.30%
0185 04 0 1 1.30 03 0 0 90.0 95.70%
0238 16 2 0 4.03 01 3 0 102 86.40%

TOTAL Mins: 3459 Saves: 1417 SV%: 91.25%

We can see that James gets alot more work in terms of shots and minutes. This is the Statistical difference in the work: Reimer gets 0.48 Saves per min, while bernier gets 0.41 Saves per min. Therefore comparisons between their careers are not ideal. Arguments can be made either way whether or not more Svs per minute are better for the Goalie, as as to whether more shots will cause a higher or lower SV%.

It's also worthy to mention that Reimer has played more Games in addtition to the samples I use. Reimer has an additional 37 games in his career, however we aren't sure what would happen if Bernier played an extra season. So I chose to compare them this way. Reimer has played better Career to Career though.

Now Pre-Season Reimer has played better, I think he should be the starter IF we were choosing now. But I like the idea of testing Bernier vs. his hometown team, when his family is watching. Reimer can start be the 1A vs Bernier 1B.
 
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Azura

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To be fair, it seems that most of the bias is for "team Bernier". I guess a lot of people on here don't realize they both play for the same team.

Are you kidding me? All I see is Reimer this and Reimer that. The fans on this board and a lot of other places are all Reimer all the time. There should just be a #teamgoalie and leave it at that.
 

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It's more of a case of doing a solid for the player. Starting in Montreal would mean more for Bernier than it would for Reimer. Same as how starting in Winnipeg would mean more for Reimer than it would for Bernier.

If it wasn't opening night, I'd agree. But it is opening night, and I think it's more important to let Reimer know that he still has the coach's faith.
 

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How do I do this?

I'm pretty sure I've used every single stat in the world in my stats comparisons.

which stats am I ignoring? how am I being selective?

You'll never convince some people until you can find something on this nonsensical "rebound control" fetish that Glen Healy started.
 

ConnorTO

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Reimer has had more games, he has a larger sample.

Lets look here, these are Reimer's Last 2 years and Berniers entire NHL career.

James Reimer 67 GP

Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
1879 97 2 3 3.1 14 14 4 877 90 %
1856 76 0 4 2.46 19 8 5 919 92.40 %

Total Mins: 3735 Svs: 1796 Sv%: 91.21%





Jonathan Bernier 62 GP

Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
0768 24 0 1 1.88 09 3 1 282 92.20%
0890 35 1 1 2.36 05 6 2 348 90.80%
1378 57 1 3 2.48 11 8 3 595 91.30%
0185 04 0 1 1.30 03 0 0 90.0 95.70%
0238 16 2 0 4.03 01 3 0 102 86.40%

TOTAL Mins: 3459 Saves: 1417 SV%: 91.25%

We can see that James gets alot more work in terms of shots and minutes. This is the Statistical difference in the work: Reimer gets 0.48 Saves per min, while bernier gets 0.41 Saves per min. Therefore comparisons between their careers are not ideal. Arguments can be made either way whether or not more Svs per minute are better for the Goalie, as as to whether more shots will cause a higher or lower SV%.

It's also worthy to mention that Reimer has played more Games in addtition to the samples I use. Reimer has an additional 37 games in his career, however we aren't sure what would happen if Bernier played an extra season. So I chose to compare them this way. Reimer has played better Career to Career though.

Now Pre-Season Reimer has played better, I think he should be the starter IF we were choosing now. But I like the idea of testing Bernier vs. his hometown team, when his family is watching. Reimer can start be the 1A vs Bernier 1B.
you forgot one thing, and many people always do here




anyone can play goalie for the LA Kings
but to thrive in Toronto, takes balls
that simple
 

The Iceman

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Too much pressure playing in your home town opening night on a new team.
Start Reimer, no drama-no problem!!
 

spidergoalie

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Reimer has had more games, he has a larger sample.

Lets look here, these are Reimer's Last 2 years and Berniers entire NHL career.

James Reimer 67 GP

Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
1879 97 2 3 3.1 14 14 4 877 90 %
1856 76 0 4 2.46 19 8 5 919 92.40 %

Total Mins: 3735 Svs: 1796 Sv%: 91.21%





Jonathan Bernier 62 GP

Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
0768 24 0 1 1.88 09 3 1 282 92.20%
0890 35 1 1 2.36 05 6 2 348 90.80%
1378 57 1 3 2.48 11 8 3 595 91.30%
0185 04 0 1 1.30 03 0 0 90.0 95.70%
0238 16 2 0 4.03 01 3 0 102 86.40%

TOTAL Mins: 3459 Saves: 1417 SV%: 91.25%

We can see that James gets alot more work in terms of shots and minutes. This is the Statistical difference in the work: Reimer gets 0.48 Saves per min, while bernier gets 0.41 Saves per min. Therefore comparisons between their careers are not ideal. Arguments can be made either way whether or not more Svs per minute are better for the Goalie, as as to whether more shots will cause a higher or lower SV%.

It's also worthy to mention that Reimer has played more Games in addtition to the samples I use. Reimer has an additional 37 games in his career, however we aren't sure what would happen if Bernier played an extra season. So I chose to compare them this way. Reimer has played better Career to Career though.

Now Pre-Season Reimer has played better, I think he should be the starter IF we were choosing now. But I like the idea of testing Bernier vs. his hometown team, when his family is watching. Reimer can start be the 1A vs Bernier 1B.
But aren't you being sellective? You are omtiing some of Reimer's career and as soon as you start omiting things to make a match up, you are automatically taking out part of the real story, and by definition you are being far more sellective than Zeke, who took both goalies whole NHL careers, while you had to decide which portion of Reimer's career you would toss out, and which part you would "sellect" for your comparison.

Personaly I think opening night is at the end of the day, just one game in a long season. I seem to recall seeing somewhere Carlyle said they would split the first 2.
I guess I think which goalie plays the last game is far more important than which one plays the first.

Ultimately I don't care who wins this, and if both are lights out, we all win.
I do think Reimer deserved to be given the chance to just be #1 and run with it, and I wanted a veteran back-up, but I have nothing at all against Bernier, so if I have an "anti" bias I guess it would be Nonis for creating this controversy, and not either goalie. But if Nonis decision works out for the leafs with either Bernier being better, or both playing great, then we have to feel good about that too.
I dunno...for me I really don't care. May the best goalie win. Maybe we have a Fuhr/Moog type situation. (he said showing his age :laugh: )
 

Mystifo

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Bernier reason: First game as a leaf in front of his home crowd in a rivalry that always makes for a good atmosphere. Seems to be like a good way to start.
 

Leaf Rocket

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I think reimer has been better in the pre-season than Bernier, however Bernier has shown me flashes as to why he is so highly touted. If reimer gets injured...Bernier might rob it and run with it.

Been skeptical with his skill and talent leve ages ago so it's interesting.
 

Morbo

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I have no idea who will be better in the long haul, they're both good goalies.

The poll question is who will start against the habs though....I have no vested interest in either goalie winning the starting job, but Reimer has been better in the limited sample of preseason and should be in the net against Montreal.
 

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Unless Reimer completely craps the bed tomorrow night, he starts Tuesday. Hes played better then Bernier thus far. Hes played better then Bernier throughout their careers.
 

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Unless Reimer completely craps the bed tomorrow night, he starts Tuesday. Hes played better then Bernier thus far. Hes played better then Bernier throughout their careers.

Even his pre-season, Reimer has played better even if you don't account for tonight's game.
 

Azura

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Unless Reimer completely craps the bed tomorrow night, he starts Tuesday. Hes played better then Bernier thus far. Hes played better then Bernier throughout their careers.

Yeah, except Reimer got a chance and ran with it and Bernier really didn't in LA. So you can't compare their careers thus far.
 

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Have to go with Reimer. He has been the better goalie.
 

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I still have BeLeaf in both the goalies and would be fine with either. However, I picked Reims as he is the one who led us to playoffs and Game 7.
 

LeafsNation75

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Voted for Bernier because I think with him being from Laval he will want to start in his home Province and it gives him extra motivation to defeat the Canadiens.
 

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