Who Should Get in the 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame?

[SSF]

Top 3, Manny, Kent, Rolen, Sheffield, and Andruw.

If i had to do 10, Sosa and Wagner i suppose would be added.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

Just get Clemens and Bonds in there already. Steroids or not, they were great ball players regardless.

We are gonna pretend their peers weren't juiced too? It was a level playing field.

 

[Terry Yake]

Top 3, Manny, Kent, Rolen, Sheffield, and Andruw.

If i had to do 10, Sosa and Wagner i suppose would be added.

if andruw jones is a HOF'er then jim edmonds should be too but he dropped off the ballot immediately

 

[darko]

Hoffman is in so Wagner should be a lock. He's miles ahead of Hoffman.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Bonds*, Clemens*, Rose*, and Schilling. Asterisks for the cheaters.

We are gonna pretend their peers weren't juiced too? It was a level playing field.

The same reason we pretend Pete Rose is the only player/manager to have ever bet on Baseball.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

Bonds*, Clemens*, Rose*, and Schilling. Asterisks for the cheaters.

The same reason we pretend Pete Rose is the only player/manager to have ever bet on Baseball.

Terrible comparison

 

[kingsholygrail]

Terrible comparison

Not at all. Broke the rules in both cases. You're arguing that because these guys got caught, they should be exempt because "Surely others were breaking the rules too!" Right?

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Voted for 7 of the first 8 options. Only one I didn't vote for was Vizquel (and I have a personally autographed ball by him that I'd like to gain value).

 

[Maestro84]

Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, Sosa, and Ramirez.

Yes I know PEDs for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and Ramirez, but honestly anyone who watched these men play can tell they were bound to be all-time greats with or without steroids period

Also, I know Schilling is an a**hole but being a good (or bad) human is not a qualification for being in the HOF as long as you have HOF numbers/accolades to back that up (which Curt clearly does)

 

[Maestro84]

Pete Rose also needs to be inducted especially given how soft the punishments for thew Astros were with this scandal

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

if andruw jones is a HOF'er then jim edmonds should be too but he dropped off the ballot immediately

Jim Edmonds and Kenny Lofton were two guys who should have gotten more consideration but were victims of a stacked ballot and fell off after their first year. If the Veterans Committee is going to elect Harold Baines, then they should give those two guys serious consideration somewhere down line.

Not saying Baines should be the new bar, but it opened a can of worms. Another example or the bar being lowered, I don't think Billy Wagner is a hall of famer, but he was better than recent elections Trevor Hoffman and Lee Smith.

 

[Terry Yake]

Jim Edmonds and Kenny Lofton were two guys who should have gotten more consideration but were victims of a stacked ballot and fell off after their first year. If the Veterans Committee is going to elect Harold Baines, then they should give those two guys serious consideration somewhere down line.

Not saying Baines should be the new bar, but it opened a can of worms. Another example or the bar being lowered, I don't think Billy Wagner is a hall of famer, but he was better than recent elections Trevor Hoffman and Lee Smith.

yeah baines getting in really lowered the bar for a HOF that had already set a low bar in recent years by inducting guys like hoffman

and i agree about wagner. if hoffman is a HOFer then by that standard so should k-rod and joe nathan

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Rose needed over 6,000 more ABs than Bagwell to equal the same WAR. Pete is a compiler, not a HoFer.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

Not at all. Broke the rules

in both cases. You're arguing that because these guys got caught, they should be exempt because "Surely others were breaking the rules too!" Right?

Not surely. We know.

There are already cheaters in the HOF.

I think Pete Rose should be in but the reason why he isn’t is completely different from why voters won’t put Bonds and Clemens in.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

...I think Pete Rose should be in but the reason why he isn’t is completely different from why voters won’t put Bonds and Clemens in.

Cy Seymour (16)	119	L
	Bill Skowron (14)	119	R
	Red Smith (9)	119	R
	Vern Stephens (15)	119	R
	Andy Van Slyke (13)	119	L
	Tom York (15)	119

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.409

.784

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[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

Those guys have a higher OPS+ than Pete Rose. When you play 3,562 games you're gonna get some hits. His slash line is above.

 

[SSF]

Van Slyke didnt get a vote in his year on the ballot.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Not surely. We know.

There are already cheaters in the HOF.

I think Pete Rose should be in but the reason why he isn’t is completely different from why voters won’t put Bonds and Clemens in.

It's different literally, but in both cases they broke the rules. Though I freely admit, the steroids issue is a bit more cloudy than gambling for sure.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yes I know PEDs for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and Ramirez, but honestly anyone who watched these men play can tell they were bound to be all-time greats with or without steroids period

Are you serious?

LOL I watched Sosa before the PED's and he was barely on track to be a #4 OF

Clemens and Bonds were great players before using and tarnished legacy

Sosa would have had no legacy to tarnish if not using

HOF for Clemens + Bonds can be argued given their play before PED's

Sosa has no place in HOF

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Agreed. Sosa is 204th in WAR.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

If you completely wipe out 1999-2002, the years Bonds supposedly used, frome his resume he's still a top 10 player of all time.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

If you completely wipe out 1999-2002, the years Bonds supposedly used, frome his resume he's still a top 10 player of all time.

Agree to disagree, but his average OPS+ his first 7 years in PITT was 146.4 which is a very good and HoF number.

 

[EpochLink]

Are you serious?

LOL I watched Sosa before the PED's and he was barely on track to be a #4 OF

Clemens and Bonds were great players before using and tarnished legacy

Sosa would have had no legacy to tarnish if not using

HOF for Clemens + Bonds can be argued given their play before PED's

Sosa has no place in HOF

Agreed, Sosa was the product of the PED's..which helped him produce better.
Bonds and Clemens were HOF players before PED's, but were the best on the planet when on em.

 

[Hasbro]

Sadaharu Oh

 

[Neutrinos]

If you completely wipe out 1999-2002, the years Bonds supposedly used, frome his resume he's still a top 10 player of all time.

I would think he used them longer than that

 

[darko]

I would think he used them longer than that

When do you think he used?