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Have to go with CK. He leads by example. Great work ethic. Popular in the dressing room (from what I’ve read). Steps up on big occasions. What more could you want?
Player Discussion Who should be next Rangers Captain?
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Kreider may indeed lack the personality they're looking for in a captain. He would most likely continue on McDonagh's path, and they want a change there.
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How do we know? We have no clue what the personality of the player is. Again, you cannot judge who will make a good captain by watching games. It doesn't work like that.
You can get a good feel of player’s personality thru interviews from other players. Hayes, Zuc are good locker room guys. You never hear of Kreider as someone players lean towards. And from all reports i have heard thru rumors, CK is a weird dude.
Going without a captain is like saying there is nobody in the locker room that deserves or has the leadership ability to be a captain. that would be a big fail.
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The Rangers had their most successful playoff run in 20 years without a captain.
haveandare
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Hopefully someone who can actually command a room. If nobody on the roster this coming year can do that, I'm 100% fine with no captain. But no more of this "quiet, lead by example" type. Those guys are good to have, but they're not cut out to be captains.
I think several things...
1. First requirement is a consistent high effort/battle level. I see that in NO current Ranger except Jesper Fast (and Henrik). At one point Zucc would have been the next closest example but even he has disappeared for long stretches in several seasons.
2. I think Kreider is too much in his own head and I'm not altogether sure Hayes has one to speak of. Could be completely wrong on both counts but that's my own current impression.
3. We're STARTING something here, or trying to. Putting official leadership in the hands of someone we already know is a high risk to be gone before NEXT season seems foolish.
4. A primary captaincy role is to provide an effective intermediary between the coaching staff and the rest of the team. We've got a new coach who has a LOT of watching and evaluating to do in the first few months. Since WE don't really know who his right guy may be, I suspect he and the team will do best to start with a few A's and allow the guy best suited to self-identify as the season progresses.
1. First requirement is a consistent high effort/battle level. I see that in NO current Ranger except Jesper Fast (and Henrik). At one point Zucc would have been the next closest example but even he has disappeared for long stretches in several seasons.
2. I think Kreider is too much in his own head and I'm not altogether sure Hayes has one to speak of. Could be completely wrong on both counts but that's my own current impression.
3. We're STARTING something here, or trying to. Putting official leadership in the hands of someone we already know is a high risk to be gone before NEXT season seems foolish.
4. A primary captaincy role is to provide an effective intermediary between the coaching staff and the rest of the team. We've got a new coach who has a LOT of watching and evaluating to do in the first few months. Since WE don't really know who his right guy may be, I suspect he and the team will do best to start with a few A's and allow the guy best suited to self-identify as the season progresses.
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I don't know if Kreider would make a better captain the McDonagh, however i dont think McDoangh was a strong captain at all.
The positives are, Kreider seems far more verbal then McDonagh ever did, plus adds the intangible of standing up for his teammates which McDonagh never did. I don't think any player who is unwilling to do that should ever wear a letter, let alone the C. Kreider has constant communication on the bench with his linemates as well, like they are always trying to figure out what will/wont work. I never saw that in McDoangh...and I was a big fan of his.
But, the reality of it is, i voted Kreider by default. I don't see him as a bonafide Captain. But i just don't even think there is a better candidate.
They're not going to trade Zuccarello. Doesn't make sense from a business stand point. He is one of the most popular players in the league and sells far too much merchandise to move him.
There are other great rentals on this team, Hayes being one of them.
But if guys like Hayes, Kreider, Zuccarello, etc have great seasons, I don't want to trade players for the sake of trading them. Guys like Hayes and Kreider are still young enough to be part of our core, and Zuccarello is one of the few players on this team besides Lundqvist who shows passion and emotion on a nightly basis. He can provide veteran leadership to our young guys.
Personally, Jagr was the last captain I really liked. He spoke up in the dressing room and back his words up on the ice. He lead by example. Leetch, Callahan, McDonagh all failed to do that.
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Have you been to MSG or any road games and watched Krieder during and after his shifts?
I agree that you don’t see a lot of what’s happening from broadcasts specifically the interaction between the players and coaches on the bench between shifts.
Anybody who thinks Krieder should be wearing the C should slow it down and get to some games. I can’t tell you how many times Krieder will get off the ice and immediately watch and analayze replays on an iPad only to repeat the same mistakes from previous shifts... there are also shfits on the ice where it feels as if he’s invisible.
Krieder is too inconsistent to lead by example. He can absolutely take over games when he plays with that edge but those games are too far in between. Super smart and I’m sure a great teammate but not a leader... need someone more vocal and definitely someone that plays 100% every shift.
I’ll pass on a guy that goes from playing superb hockey to inexplicably awful hockey at the flip of a switch (although it’s a way better suggestion than Hayes).
Kreider has turned into a fine player, but has fallen into that rythm of being the guy that “finally puts it together this season”, every season. That’s a leadership red flag in my book. Won’t lose sleep if they give him an A though.
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Finally a member of this board who u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ agrees with me. Thank you
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In terms of jersey sales, Zucc is the 7th most popular player in the entire league (Hank is 5th).
I dont know what that means in actual money value, but merchandise overall is "big business".
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That’s a fair point. His propensity to take silly penalties is also frustrating sometimes — but I suppose no one is perfect.
But, in all sincerity, I do have to ask: what does putting it all together mean to you? Is it living up to potential? Is it consistency? Is it point production? Very few players in the league feature all of those qualities.
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Why? He seems the kind of player (playmaker) who has a very long career on average.
Factor in that he often gives us a good deal and it's not the worst option. It depends on what he wants in a deal.
5x5 would be an easy yes from my end. add a 6th or 7th year and the story changes.
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Bruins in 1970. Esposito, Bucyk and Westfall as alternates
Bruins in 1972. Esposito, Bucyk and Green as alternates
Tawnos
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Too bad jersey sales don’t equal wins.
Since that’s true... team construction doesn’t take that into account.
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