Who is the 5th best offensive player of all-time ??

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  1. John Flyers Fan

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    The big four are also the four best offensive players of all-time.

    If just looking at offense, who would be number 5 ??

    Candidates:

    Jagr
    Bossy
    Coffey
    Esposito
    Hull
    Mikita
    Bentley
    Morenz
    Conacher
    Cook
    Lalonde
    Etc.
     
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    I would say Bobby Hull. Maybe the best goal scorer ever. Jagr or Esposito could be argued for as well. Also Rocket Richard, even though he never won a scoring title but when he was playing I am pretty sure he was viewed as the best scorer ever, until Howe topped him but Howe is top 4.
     
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    Hull or Richard. Pretty much depends on your opinion of WHA/Gordie Howe.
     
  4. John Flyers Fan

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    I don't see any way that it can be Richard. He's primarily a goal scorer (never won a scoring title) and he certainly wasn't a better goal scorer than Hull.
     
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    Richard certainly scored more big goals than Hull.
     
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    Probably scored more big goals than anybody. Guess that puts him ahead of everybody:sarcasm:
     
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    Responding to the comment there is no argument for Richard over Hull.

    Simply made the one argument.
     
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    Jagr would be my answer. 5 Art Rosses and 2 runner ups where he distanced himself from 3rd place by 29 and 17 points tells the story.
     
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    This is my 1st thought as well, leaning towards Jagr as offensive includes everything not just scoring goals.
     
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    Hull was a pretty good playmaker as well as a great goal scorer. You don't win 3 AR's against great competition on goal scoring alone.
     
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    I think it would be pretty hard to make an argument for someone other than Hull, Espo or Jagr.
     
  12. Coffey, really?
     
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    I wouldn't vote for him, but he probably deserves to be on the list. He's clearly the 2nd best offensive defenseman of all time, and TBH, he's a lot farther ahead of #3 than Orr is ahead of him (offensively only of course - Orr also played great D).

    That being said, I'd have to go with Jagr, Espo, or Hull. If Jagr keeps up his play this season though, I might say him, based on dominant peak + longevity.
     
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    Richard has nearly the same amount of top 5 and top 10 seasons than Hull so I don't see why people are so quick to dismiss him. He could be the clutchest player of all time.
     
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    I'd have to go Jagr with Richard, Hull Sr. and Espo next.
     
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    Jagr , Espo and Hull for sure are great candidates. But wouldn't Mikita be in that mix aswell? 4 Art Rosses is very impressive.
     
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    Here's another name to ponder: Jean Beliveau.

    During the last 20 seasons before expansion, Howe naturally scored the most points, but Believeau was actually first in points per game. (Barely, over Howe 1.09 to 1.07)

    He was top 3 in scoring 7 times, and just for the heck of it, for his career, averaged just as many points in the playoffs as he did the regular season. (roughly 1,.08)
     
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    Bobby Hull, with Beliveau, Richard and Lafluer all close.
     
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    Since Jagr is there, I'm throwing Forsberg into the mix.
     
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    For arguments sake, is Orr really one of the 4 best offensive players of all-time? Are we going by raw results, or by offensive talent? Sure Orr might have had better offensive talent, but he was outproduced by Esposito. Most of the people discussed in this thread are being evaluated on results, moreso than raw talent.
     
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    Isn't the talent quite irrelevant if the results do not follow? Which leads neatly on to Marcel Dionne. If we disregard his lack of team success and just consider his offensive output, surely he should be in the discussion. But then again, should we?
     
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    As big a fan I am of Beliveau and Richard, I don’t think you could make any real argument for 5th best pure offensive player.

    I think Jagr wins this one for me, with Hull and Esposito finishing right behind him.
     
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    2 Art Ross by a d-man, the ONLY 2 and the only other player to break 100 assists in a season not named Gretzky or Lemieux and the only one that didn't do it in the 80's pretty much says it all.
     

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