Who gets the most credit: Yzerman or BriseBois?

[Bozo Nicholson]

Who?

We seemingly had a very tight-knit and motivated locker room this time around. No room for the antics of bozos like DeAngelo.

 

[BennetAintInit]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Yzermans liberal use of NT, NM's with Tampa was all part of his plan to impede after his departure? Meanwhile, he builds another cupworthy team in Detroit. He was always going to end up in Detroit. Same Division/Conference. Seems relevant.

 

[Todd1a]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Yzermans liberal use of NT, NM's with Tampa was all part of his plan to impede after his departure? Meanwhile, he builds another cupworthy team in Detroit. He was always going to end up in Detroit. Same Division/Conference. Seems relevant.

no because if covid 19 doesn’t hit then it’s not much of an issue to trade johnson or killorn as the cap would be 84 million at least and the nhl revenues would be fine due to fans in attendance

 

[JoVel]

Yzerman really screwed us over by building a Cup winning team here.

 

[Hoek]

Goofy. By the time Yzerman has enough talent to actually compete all those NTCs/NMCs are gone anyway. The Red Wings will be bad for a long time yet.

 

[Todd1a]

Goofy. By the time Yzerman has enough talent to actually compete all those NTCs/NMCs are gone anyway. The Red Wings will be bad for a long time yet.

how many years till you think Yzerman makes them a cup contender?

 

[Hoek]

how many years till you think Yzerman makes them a cup contender?

They still don't have a Stamkos or Hedman so at least 5 years.

 

[BoltzManConstant]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Yzermans liberal use of NT, NM's with Tampa was all part of his plan to impede after his departure? Meanwhile, he builds another cupworthy team in Detroit. He was always going to end up in Detroit. Same Division/Conference. Seems relevant.

No because that's dumb.

 

[Discipline]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Yzermans liberal use of NT, NM's with Tampa was all part of his plan to impede after his departure? Meanwhile, he builds another cupworthy team in Detroit. He was always going to end up in Detroit. Same Division/Conference. Seems relevant.

These conspiracies get more wacky by the day.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

SFY/JFBB is the perfect combo to me. Yzerman's flair and strictness to build a solid core from almost nothing. And then Brisebois taking over with a much more "win-now" aggressive but still masterful strategy. I think it's fairly possible we wouldn't have won the Cup without the addition of their respective skills.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

I think that came down to Palat. We've seen Kucherov dominate in the playoffs before, specifically in 2015. And, lo and behold, his linemate that year was Ondrej Palat. I think he opens up a lot of ice for Kucherov specifically, and then Brayden Point takes the trio to a whole different level.

For all the talk about size and toughness, the actual toughness/grit that mattered came from the top line. They scored a pretty ridiculous amount of our goals. We didn't get much depth scoring at all, which has always been the case for us in the playoffs, but normally we see our top scorers flatline. That didn't happen this year, and that was the difference. Lots of credit to Jon Cooper, lots of credit to Ondrej Palat.

Also... something has to be said for just flat out getting older and more mature. We were ready to do "whatever it took" to win this cup, and that was very clear from the outset (5 OTs played about as adherent to a structure as is possible).

I'm so glad we got to see this.

I'm starting to rewatch the playoffs campaign and it's unbelievable how you can notice many details that make a ton of difference when you're calm and collected. Palat is the absolute king of such little things, he was playing amazing hockey in these playoffs.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Honestly, the answer might be Jon Cooper. He got our stars to play with a level of fierceness/tenacity they'd never reached before.

Two major factors: Healthy Palat and fully developed Brayden Point. We've never had these at the same time.

Sergachev playing 23 decent minutes also. It's incredible how we didn't notice [me included] we had for the 1st time, no weak defensive pairing, in the playoffs in the Coop era.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Yeah but Cup.

Cup the crap.

 

[Nautica54]

The Yzerman JBB comparison reminds me of the Bucs of 99-2003.....core may have been with dungys/McKays fingerprints but with the icing on the cake added by grudens additions that super bowl year put us over the top

 

[T REX]

I thought JBB was the numbers/contract guy? No?

Isn't he just as responsible for those contracts?

 

[Steazy Doo]

JBB beacuse an lowly wangs fan made an thread

 

[A1LeafNation]

Ducks Murray or Burke?
Hawks Tallon or Bowman?
Pens (last 2) Shero or JR?

The former GMs did a lot of the leg work, but the GMs who took them over the top get the credit.

 

[cphabs]

Yeah either a tie or slight edge to Yzerman. You can't underestimate the importance of those tweaks, but you also can't underestimate the foundation. I'm stumped.

Habs fan here. IMO? Adding “grit” to the team Yserman left you is basically child’s play. Trading Drouin for Sergachev? That my friends is genius.

 

[BoltSTH]

Habs fan here. IMO? Adding “grit” to the team Yserman left you is basically child’s play. Trading Drouin for Sergachev? That my friends is genius.

But drafting Drouin over Jones was stupid. The trade for Sergachev was just correcting that error.

 

[LightningStrikes]

But drafting Drouin over Jones was stupid. The trade for Sergachev was just correcting that error.

I guess they were looking for a Marty replacement / playmaker to play with Stamkos going forward. Nobody was expecting Kuch or a Point (who wasn’t even drafted yet) to come in and become superstars at the time.

For perspective: Our top-6 back then was Marty, Vinny, Stammer, Teddy Purcell, Cory Conacher and Ryan Malone / Benoit Pouliot. Johnson, Palat and Killorn just made the team (during the season) as rookies.

 

[DFC]

But drafting Drouin over Jones was stupid. The trade for Sergachev was just correcting that error.

Every GM makes errors. Few of them get so many decisions right though.

 

[Zwui21]

I love Yzerman, but I'm 99% sure he wouldn't have traded for Goodrow and Coleman at the deadline for that price.

And I'm not positive that we would end up winning the cup without those two.
Overall I tend to give both a lot of credits, but I feel like JFBB is the one that tipped the scale for us to attein success, so I give JFBB the edge on this

 

[DFC]

I love Yzerman, but I'm 99% sure he wouldn't have traded for Goodrow and Coleman at the deadline for that price.

And I'm not positive that we would end up winning the cup without those two.
Overall I tend to give both a lot of credits, but I feel like JFBB is the one that tipped the scale for us to attein success, so I give JFBB the edge on this

Are you positive JBB would have traded up to get Brayden Point? Because that was a much, much bigger factor in the cup win.

 

[Frenchy]

Yzerman build most of our roster and we have to give him a lot of credit for that and Brisebois made the bold moves who brought us to another level.

 

[Zwui21]

Are you positive JBB would have traded up to get Brayden Point? Because that was a much, much bigger factor in the cup win.

Scouts should get most of the merit for that, not Yzerman.